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Already in the UK we have CCTV systems being "down for maintenance" during large scale protests, if this becomes commonplace, could the mobile phone system suffer from similar gliches?

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by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 10:04:43 AM EST
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I don't know enough about these wireless networks that individuals can set up, but I imagine for some quids and with a bit of knowhow (and I always have found people who know A LOT about computers who tend to be anti-authoritarian--it's a club, and you can only join if you ask the right questions [c.f. spybot--Search & Destroy, offered to me by one of the many who know about computers here at ET--thanks TBG!])...sorta like walking out of "Windows world"--and everything is...different.

I have this sense that we're right in the middle (or at the beginning) of an evolutionary step, where the "bad people" have their hands on the old levers, cos they have the time, the inclination, and the narrow focus, they have accumulated enough money to win all their fights, sooner or later--money as a magnet--like gravity, it's cumulative--sucks people and objects in.

"fighting this war as if it were the last war"--where "this war" is a war on...greed and selfishness, I think.  So generosity--the sharing of what we have, including our abilities to protect each other...ach...I've typed lossa words but feel very...mucho difficulty in my expression of ideas.

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by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 10:23:02 AM EST
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I've seen reports of mobile phone jammers being used in Iraq to prevent the triggering of  IED's, it may be that the police will deploy these around protests for 'Public Safety'. As a backup there are many cities now with wireless open-air networks. Setting up a wireless network is reasonably easy, however you would need a point to connect it into the rest of the worldwide network, that would be the more complex part.

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by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 10:35:47 AM EST
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thinking further on this, there would probably be a use for a reference somewhere as to how to make a piece of video film so that it was usable as evidence in court.

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by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 10:40:33 AM EST
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If you can find one, I think it would be a useful piece of information to have on public view.

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by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 07:24:49 PM EST
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though I immediately think: each jurisdiction would be different.  But okay, let's emulate Spybot: have the rules for as many jurisdictions as possible available here at ET.  For any budding video types, here are the laws, here's what you can and can't do: written down.

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by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 07:26:31 PM EST
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I think it is pretty common that mobile phone systems go down or work poorly during large scale protests. But also during music festivals. So I think the mayor part of phone services going down is lack of overcapacity, when you collect lots more people in an area then the mobile phone system is designed for.

That does not stop your mobile phone from working as a recorder however, and you can after leaving the affected area send the film.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 10:52:15 AM EST
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The first thing I see when they're setting up for concerts (normally sponsored by mobile phone companies) in the Phoenix Park is the installation of auxiliary phone masts.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 11:00:21 AM EST
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So we should have sponsored protests?

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by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 11:16:28 AM EST
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That might do it!
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 11:20:27 AM EST
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We could have protests that look as if they're sponsored.

This idea is wriggling in an interesting way. I like it.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 08:58:01 PM EST
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Short of confiscating phones - which won't work well, because I think most people would rather leave a venue than hand their phone over to the police - there's nothing that can be done to prevent people in a protest making and uploading a huge number of different video recordings of the event.

This is more or less the only practical oversight available to us, and it has the potential to be very powerful. We've already seen it having an effect.

What needs to happen is that alternative/protest/citizen media need to go mainstream, with an editorial layer.

Some of that is framing, some of it is presentation, some of it is money.

The problem with YouTube and LiveLeak is that there's no context, so there's no narrative. You watch someone getting tasered, you watch an IED explosion, you watch some freak weather, you watch someone doing BMX stunts, you watch some cats being stupid, you watch someone getting tasered...

Editorial gets a bad rap from the citizen journalism movement, but it's exactly what's needed to merge hundreds of different clips into a social and political pressure point.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 11:00:27 AM EST
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I think that's (one of) the role(s) that ET is developing into.  (Did anyone say ET LLP?  Cough cough cough!)

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by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 12:03:06 PM EST
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