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aRGH!  wERD FILE!

(Open office is free --should it have an LLP?  In fact, what business structure does it have?  Ah...questions and my wandering mind...)

I cannae explain it, but somehow people here aren't quite getting it--whatever "it" is.  I think they're missing the point and the need for these new structures.  I know you've written a lot on this, but what I'd like is something taken from the position of...one of us (Jerome with ET?), not just laying out the legal framework (no more wrappers!  I am surrounded by quality street cast offs!  ;) but maybe...hmmm...I'm intersted in the in/out flow of assets/credits.  You have liquidity through timelapse...assets go in and credits move out, assets move out and credits move in, so there are enough credits and assets to offer a cushion....ach ach achooooo!

Okay, if they are the basic building blocks, why not make a building block called ET?  Jerome (it's okay, he's not reading) wasn't against the idea, but he wasn't really for it.  However, if these building blocks are...for building on...then if we can't build one here, does that show a limit to the model?

But no!  I ask a question and don't understand the answer, so maybe imagine a new online newspaper/magazine/media outfit, high on talent and ideas but low on capitalist money cash.  On the web a lot can be done for a lot less moneycash.  So...the owner of this outfit has asked you to design an LLP for her...but she doesn't want all that tech. speak.  She wants to know

--Why should I do it?
--What kind of structure will I be creating?
--How do assets and credits move in this system?
--No, strike that, she says, you'll start talking about wrappers...
--I know you will
--and then you'll say something involving the word corporate, and that makes me think of business meetings...

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Sep 24th, 2007 at 08:50:25 PM EST
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She just told me to tell you that she wants you to paint a picture (just this once) rather than draw technical diagrams.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Sep 24th, 2007 at 08:53:55 PM EST
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Well, we have a problem here that I have no solution to, and which is applicable immediately here and in any long term community.

Let's say a number of people get together to work on a project. Input consists of contributions of differing values, by definition. Some people have more time than others, some have more creativity than others, some have nmore insight than others, some are more methodical than others, some have better contacts than others, and so on.

Each contribution is useful.

Some contributions may be essential.

It may not be obvious which is which. A chance remark from someone on the periphery can turn out to be the key to success.

Let's say the project is successful and income appears.

How should the income be distributed?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Sep 24th, 2007 at 09:02:43 PM EST
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... but in an arbitrary method that is accepted by most as more or less legitimate.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Sep 24th, 2007 at 11:38:06 PM EST
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Everyone votes what proportion of the proceeds everyone else but themselves should receive.

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 at 01:29:16 AM EST
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Then how do you prevent cliques that have grown up during the project and have become convinced that their groups input was the most valuable from monopolising the credit/income?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 at 03:16:28 AM EST
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Because they only get a proportional share of the income to distribute as they see fit.

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 at 03:24:20 AM EST
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Who defines the proportion?

Also, what happens if there's no agreement, or the voted distribution doesn't add up?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 at 07:08:54 AM EST
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Do I need to pull a diary on fair distribution out of my arse, now?

You have N people - you give each of them 1/N of the total to distribute as they see fit among the other N-1 people excluding themselves.

Each person then gets some assigned fraction of the total.

One can allow for different subjective valuations and payments in kind as well by means of an auction which guarantees everyone gets at least their subjective eveluation of what constitutes their share.

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 at 11:57:56 AM EST
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Could we have this as a Diary, rg?

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 at 04:14:58 AM EST
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I'll get one up later today (hopefully)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 at 04:25:02 AM EST
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