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My post was basically an early draft of a diary on Daily Kos, which adds a little praise for Johnson ("a distinguished progressive historian").

That diary is significantly more polished but mainly worth a look-see because of the comments by vets74, who apparently has some first-hand knowledge of the mujahideen in Afghanistan, and even more remarkably, some first-hand understanding.

Some (hopefully) fair-use quotes:

Herring got one heeluva lot done.  

Bob Dole got more done, though.

Charlie's money was getting hijacked by the usual suspects in the criminal class that the Ivy League crew allowed to suck on to the CIA.

The proportions were astonishing. Steal $20. Pass through 50-cent.

So Dole got together a pot of $100-million and had the DC and Virginia wargamers put together a package of what the Afghans really wanted and needed.

Afghan input went to getting a shipload of little diesel Japanese pickup trucks. I'm sure they're still running... probably all of them that aren't blown up.

Anyway the Afghans approved the final package by a vote of 5 groups in favor, to 0 groups against, with 2 groups abstaining.

The smart thin Afghan doctor leading the talk side of the negotiations was pleased. That's as good as we'd have gotten for anything, ever.

None of this was EVER classified, because nobody in any official position ever got to look at it. Dole back-doored the money. Smart SOB.

BTW: the package included 120mm Spanish mortars. Rifled barrels. Knock the ** out of any helicopter repair facility from 10-clicks out.

That's what stopped the "Hind" helicopters, cuz they're in shop way more hours than they fly. The shop is a full-scale explosion waiting to happen. Nothing in there don't explode.

I put the last section in boldface for emphasis, because it was totally news to me... a simple insight into how a war against helicopters is fought, and once you hear it, it's almost self-evident.

Kudos for vets74!

Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit.

by FPS Doug on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 06:32:14 PM EST
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vets74 has a whole series of interesting diaries about Amy Winehouse and other issues here.

Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit.
by FPS Doug on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 07:07:36 PM EST
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Many thanks.  All of which reinforces the question as to why Sorkin went so much out of the way to falsify history and to give Charlie Wilson so much of the credit.  In purely cinematic terms, as you pointed out earlier, it would have been even more effective to cast Herring as the main character and heroine.

Will have a look at your blog now.

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 07:13:16 PM EST
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I think Tom Hanks was a large part of the problem, and the synergy with Sorkin was negative: sentimental marries clever and their first-born child is kitsch.

I hate to sound like a sock puppet for vets74, but he also has a really strange and original insight about Obama here. Will Muslims treat Obama as an apostate because of his early training in an Islamic school?

vets74 would be a really excellent addition to EuroTrib! He even inspires a certain amount of respect in the savage beast FPS Doug!

Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit.

by FPS Doug on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 09:49:53 PM EST
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now you've got me thinking it's another of your personalities ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 09:59:23 PM EST
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single personality people always think that having multiple personalities is a disorder.  It's not.  It's a prerequisite for being a good actor and a good analyst for the world as it really is.  I'm beginning to like Jacob Freexe - all of them....

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 17th, 2008 at 08:22:30 AM EST
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Interesting point of view.
Somehow I would never have linked a talent as an actor with the ability to see the world "as it really is".

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 01:03:50 PM EST
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well if you can't put yourself in the shoes of someone very different from yourself you're not much of an actor are you?  Those actors (like Ronald Reagan, Charlton Heston and Tom Hanks) who always seemed to play the same type of character are clearly very limited actors.

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 01:26:22 PM EST
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I think your linked vets74 diary deserves a Lazy Quote Diary here.  Although it is largely made up of a quote from a GOP sympathiser, it raises an issue which could become very important in World affairs should Obama be elected.  Europeans find some of these Islamic issues very difficult to deal with - how do you give freedom of religion to those who's religion would deny freedom of religion to others?

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 17th, 2008 at 07:35:29 AM EST
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True for all rotary wing aircraft. The Hind actually does better than most, but the desert sand is rough on choppers particularly.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 01:00:19 PM EST
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