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I opposed Bliars Presidential style when in office, his spin doctoring, obsession with presentation, poodling up to Bush, and above all his close to treasonous war on Iraq.

However just for the hell of it I will take the contrarian view.  A leader of his stature is just what the EU needs to be taken seriously by the world and by its own citizens.  Sure he would be controversial.  Good.  Lets have the rows.  At the end of the day he would be subject to the decisions of the council.

Are we seriously saying Jean-Claude Juncker is the best alternative?  Bertie Ahern would be better!  And you can have him.  Ireland is finished with him...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 11:11:24 AM EST
On the one hand it could bring the UK closer to Europe. on the other hand it could drive the UK further away.

If it was almost any other UK political figure it would probably be an advantage.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 11:35:04 AM EST
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The UK doesn't have much in the way of substantial political figures (sorry Migeru!).  I suspect most Brits would be quite glad to have "their" man in charge of the continentals.  Any major figure is bound to be controversial and the question is perhaps whether te EU is ready to have a high profile leader,  A colourless bureaucrat or a Swiss style cantonal leader might be the lowest common denominator we can expect.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 12:00:25 PM EST
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Actually, a john Major would fit the criteria as laid out. He is broadly pro-europe and is a concensus builder. His tragedy was leading a party at a time when it could not have been led by anybody and the policies he enacted seemed to be rooted in that weakness than from any failure of personal vision.

since then I have been impressed by the quiet solidity of his convictions, even when I disagree with him.

But, he is not a global political celebrity in the Blair mould. Do we want a solid achiever or a gadfly ?

Who's that Italian comedian who embarrasses the government ? He'd be a good nomination

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 10:10:26 AM EST
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Helen,

Not a bad choice. (To be honest, hadn't thought of Major)

But Major would be more acceptable than Blair, i.e., he doesn't have the "baggage" that comes with Bush's 'Yo Blair.

But he'll need some sort of support to get his name in the ballot box or we don't exactly have a pro-Europe Tory party in the UK.

by The3rdColumn on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 11:05:35 AM EST
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Frank Schnittger:
I suspect most Brits would be quite glad to have "their" man in charge of the continentals.

I don't think it's seen like that here. Blair is almost universally loathed now. I don't know anyone in any party who thinks of him as an inspirational or positive figure.

Europe is also loathed by the little-Englanders, but there are more reasoned conversations about the UK-EU relationship going on in some parts of the business community.

So Blair isn't really seen as One Of Us by anyone here. He wouldn't be seen as representing the UK in Europe. He'd been seen more as a kind of shadow mini-Saddam - the corrupt former despot of Blairistan, with its population of one and a half adults, a couple of teenagers, a wobbly toddler, plus a few lackeys and hangers on.

I think most people here would be happier to have Sarkozy as EU president. He seems to fit the Euro stereotype much more closely than a shape-shifting political mutant like Blair. In the UK Sarko seems to be considered good entertainment, no matter how dire he appears to the French.

Are there really no other alternatives from a bloc that stretches from the Atlantic to the Russian border?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 05:51:39 PM EST
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What public support he had he managed to spectacularly blow, when he managed to completely ignore the publics view of what was the correct course of action in the Iraq situation.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 05:55:46 PM EST
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I think you are right, "If it was almost any other UK political figure it would probably be an advantage.

Frankly, the idea that we might be forced to listen to Tony Blair mouthing, imposing his favourite personal doctrine of his latter PM years "It's the right thing to do" in the EU would be just too much ...that would seriously divide the EU more than anything...

by The3rdColumn on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 12:08:13 PM EST
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on top of that, I can see him constantly getting on the TV news, and his comments being seen as an attempt to keep control of the UK by any future premier. (especially if Brown gets in again)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 12:15:44 PM EST
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But that would hardly be unifying -- the job requirement is for one who is solidly a concesus builder...

Re Bertie Ahern, with a nickname like that, doubt he'll have a chance? Seriously now, he'll have to obtain Ireland support massively to even be considered.

by The3rdColumn on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 12:02:49 PM EST
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The3rdColumn:
But that would hardly be unifying -- the job requirement is for one who is solidly a concesus builder...

Blair did that very effectively until Iraq.

Bertie turned down the job of President of the EU Commission and arranged for Barroso to get it instead.  He didn't want it then, and I doubt he'll want it now, and in any case his stock has fallen considerably since.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 12:07:40 PM EST
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Blair did that very effectively until Iraq.

Are you serious?...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 05:02:26 PM EST
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Bertie turned down the job of President of the EU Commission and arranged for Barroso to get it instead.

Does Bertie credit himself with that? Methinks Aznar and B also had a big role in it, but most important was Bliar, this was his only real EU success.

Maybe you and The3rdColumn don't remember, but the candidate Bliar wanted to and succeeded in nudging out was Juncker. (It shall come as no surprise that Juncker would later say, We Don't Need Britain!...)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 05:29:42 PM EST
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