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The funny thing is, even though Clinton won this caucus, and thus gained 12 delegates, Obama actually gained 13 delegates because he won the whole rest of the state. So...who won? In delegates, Obama did. And who is out of the race? We will know more after Feb. 5th, I think.

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 at 03:56:51 AM EST
Obama actually gained 13 delegates

Thats not sure, at least not according to the following quote I saw on dKos. I find it more and more mystifying how the US election system could be called democratic.

Clinton and Obama Win Nevada

Delegates for the national convention will not be determined until April 19." Jill Derby, Chair of the Nevada State Party, also spoke out on delegates as the results came in. She emphasized that national delegate counts are "based upon an assumption that delegate preferences will remain the same," when in fact they could change at the convention. Derby added a disconcerting line to hammer the point home: "We look forward to our county and state conventions where we will choose the delegates for the nominee that Nevadans support."

Translation: If this thing is close, "we" party insiders will "choose" for the rest of the state.

At least the sparring over delegates has forced out a rare political confession, helping expose the distortions of these party rules. And the reforms present themselves: Require binding votes, absentee voting rights, proportional measurement and a true popular vote.

by Fran on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 at 04:31:40 AM EST
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Its all rather arcane, but as it stands it is:

Obama .... 38 delegates so far?
Clinton .... 36 delegates so far?
Edwards .. 18 delegates so far

(Not including the "super delegates, another arcane thing)

And check this Matt Stoller article out:


"Did Obama lose Nevada by his Reagan remarks?", in which he thinks those who se themselves as "very liberal" have swung heavily away from Obama.

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 at 07:42:24 AM EST
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I don't think the Reagan thing played a role.  That was more of a blogosphere obsession, and it was less so when Clinton was discovered to have made almost exactly the same comment.

The count on superdelegates:

Hillary 210
Obama 123
Edwards 52

So Clinton has a bit below 200, Obama a bit below 100, and Edwards 37.  My sense is that we won't see any real movement among them until Super Tuesday, with the winner of California taking the most.  I'd guess that Cal is sitting roughly at 48-35 right now.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 at 11:50:40 AM EST
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