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It would suggest things that would compel us to CORRECT OUR BEHAVIOR.  

It's actually not hard to understand what the problem is. Although the Western Mind (including Colman's, at a guess) shrinks back in horror from mysticism and explicit dualism, it still works on the assumption that Mind is separate from Reality, and that the only way to understand Reality is by making Mind (i.e. abstracted pattern recognition) and Reality as separate as possible.

You can experiment on Reality, but you're not allowed to admit that you take part in the experimental experience directly. That's called being subjective, and it's a terrible sin.

Put simply, we don't see ourselves as an organic part of the physical world. We see ourselves as separate and detached from it. It happens to us and around us, but it's not a deeply felt or experienced part of us.

So physics is still a theory of distant-mindedness rather than a theory of participation, and Goedel is the inevitable result of trying to find a theory of mind which isn't grounded in experience - a castle in the air with no foundation, because foundational axioms are based in participation and experience and can't be derived from pure pattern matching.

Relativity and QM have been suggesting - inconclusively, so far - that participation is a pre-requisite for deep understanding.

This is very uncomfortable for rational dualists, and they're still not sure what to make of it.

Inevitably the disconnection leads to ravings and mania like the international economic system, where pure algorithms of value disconnect from reality so completely that they're in serious danger of destroying themselves.

This won't change until the detachment ends. It doesn't have to end in a naive participation mystique, because that's often every bit as superficial as it seems to be. Doing lots of drugs and saying 'Hey, wow, that's like, really cool' isn't any more insightful and useful than it seems to be.

But the common factor among mystics is that they don't feel the separation, either between themselves and physical reality, or between themselves and others. And that makes them consicous participants with a personal relationship to their surroundings, rather than slightly confused and anxious passengers who feel embattled and detached from them.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 2nd, 2008 at 05:23:42 PM EST
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