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I like Edwards' for two reasons.

First: trees are just one of many things mentioned, and almost as an afterthought. Second: if instead of making it a volunteer corps the volunteers receive a stipend it will be a much needed keynesian stimulus. Even without paying for the labour (ugh!!!) it will increase the demand for efficient energy technologies and make them more viable and cheaper, as well as improving the energy efficiency of teh country generally.

Is that all that Hillary Clinton says? "trees play such an important role and we need to figure out a win-win strategy for reforestation"? Please say it ain't

Obama's smacks of agribusiness subsidies: he will reward domestic land owners for engaging in practices that improve carbon sequestration.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 at 05:37:20 AM EST
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I think little is accomplished, long term, by a volunteer basis. Bush's whole climate change mitigation plan is voluntary haha. So Bush believes the big carbon emitters will voluntarily cut back haha.

So Edward's voluntary plans I think are just a foolish. I believe if it is important, then you give it a budget and make people responsible to make sure it gets done.

I searched Clinton's campaign site and that was the best I could find. On her "Energy independence and global warming" issues page there is no mention of forests or, for that matter, trees. That quote came from a speech.

My impression of Obama is that he is big on subsidies for agribusiness and "clean" haha coal.

by Magnifico on Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 at 05:43:40 AM EST
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I suspect the reason Edwards talks about volunteers is that he doesn't want to say the words "New Deal". Is that tactical or not?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 at 06:25:41 AM EST
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I hope that it is 'tactical'. FDR was clever with his use of rhetoric, "Lend-Lease" comes to mind.

Franklin D. Roosevelt, eager to ensure public consent for this controversial plan, explained to the public and the press that his plan was comparable to one neighbor's lending another a garden hose to put out a fire in his home. "What do I do in such a crisis?" the president asked at a press conference. "I don't say... 'Neighbor, my garden hose cost me $15; you have to pay me $15 for it' ...I don't want $15 -- I want my garden hose back after the fire is over."

Maybe Edwards is being tactical, but I wonder if his populism is genuine and if it will translate to true progressive policies. The United States isn't in the economic straits that it was during the Great Depression, however Bush, Congress, and Greenspan have all done their part to make it possible.

by Magnifico on Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 at 06:34:00 AM EST
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It isn't now, but it's not a preposterous suggestion that it might be in January 2009.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 at 06:37:50 AM EST
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Magnifico:
On her "Energy independence and global warming" issues page there is no mention of forests or, for that matter, trees.
Wait, maybe that is okay, then? From your diary I got the impression that the frontrunners made reforestation for carbon sinks a key policy, which in light of the newer data would seem to be a problem. But if trees are not important to them it doesn't matter that trees won't work as well as previously expected.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 at 06:28:22 AM EST
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Key policy may be a stretch, it is part of Edwards and Obama's global warming mitigation plans.

The reason I mentioned the three Democratic front runners is the next president will have a significant role, I believe, to play addressing climate change. All three of their plans to address climate change are weak, in my opinion, and rely too much on hope and technological breakthroughs that may never come. Plus, for the American audience -- getting people to pay attention to the environment on Iowa caucus day -- is an uphill battle.

by Magnifico on Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 at 06:44:46 AM EST
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... of the Peace Corps and the domestic 1960 "volunteer" program (whatitsname), which the name suggests, it wouldn't be entirely unpaid work ... there would not be a wage/salary, but there would be a stipend.

And of course if college students are using it to cover the 10 hours of work a week to participate in the College for Everyone program, that would generate a regular new supply of volunteers.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 at 02:56:02 PM EST
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