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The most comprehensive and unhysterical set of answers to almost all of these questions can be found at Drugscope. They neither advocate drug taking nor dramatize the facts. Their aim is to inform policy and reduce risk.

http://www.drugscope.org.uk/

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 03:35:58 PM EST
And that's the right answer.  Having dealt with people hopped up on hard drugs like cocaine, but also being pretty militant about the "My government doesn't own my body" view, I'm conflicted on it.  And then there's the -- in my view, perfectly valid -- argument that it's wrong to penalize the overwhelming majority of drug users who aren't causing problems simply because some can't handle their highs.

I'm also not wild about throwing people in jail for things that I've done more times than I'd care to admit.

This is all to say nothing of what I think is clearly the fact that the Drug War has not worked, and it will not work.

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by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 04:10:29 PM EST
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I haven't ever caused a car accident and I like to drive fast.  I'm pissed that I can be criminalised for speeding just because other people are bad drivers and can't handle speed.  Does that mean speed limits should be abolished?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 04:43:45 PM EST
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The two are not the same.  Sitting in your house doing a shot of heroine is not the same as being in a car.  We're all in potential danger when you're in your car, just as you'd all be in potential danger if I got in my car.  There's a public vs private dynamic that's not captured in your analogy.

That said, speed all you like.  I don't drive, and I doubt your car's going to hurt the train I'm on. ;)

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by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 04:59:41 PM EST
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Drew J Jones:
That said, speed all you like.  I don't drive, and I doubt your car's going to hurt the train I'm on. ;)

Have you ever been a pedestrian?

Granted shooting heroin in your own home hurts no one except maybe your marriage and your kids, but most people shoot heroin in public places and leave dirty needles about. If they overdose or mix it with other drugs they may end up in casualty taking up scarce health care resources.  In practice, few things in life are entirely private and don't have (a sometimes severe) impact on others.

Criminalisation may be inappropriate, unhelpful, counter productive, a restriction of civil liberties,  and over the top, but does allowing the relatively free availability of heroin not come with other risks and costs within our cultural context?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 05:26:17 PM EST
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Frank Schnittger:
If they overdose or mix it with other drugs they may end up in casualty taking up scarce health care resources.  In practice, few things in life are entirely private and don't have (a sometimes severe) impact on others.

I think mountain climbing, boxing or other extreme ways of treating your body (joining the military comes to mind) comes closer to drugs, then speeding does. Then you have the direct bodily harm centered on the agent, though the risks are shared with those around.

Btw, professional boxing is outlawed in Sweden. No illegal market there (afaik), instead the boxers move. Mountain climbing is legal though.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 06:13:41 PM EST
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I suppose they can't move the mountains.....

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 06:20:52 PM EST
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This is definitely an issue upon which we should stay away from arguments from analogy.

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by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 08:41:03 PM EST
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Thanks. I've read quite a bit of stuff on the site and it does a good job of taking some of the MSM hysteria out of the drugs issue.  But unless I've missed it, it doesn't really argue the case for decriminalisation one way or the other.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 04:51:45 PM EST
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And quite rightly imo. It is hardly a black and white problem. Ultimately it will be the majority that decides according to the representatives that the majority elects. That decision has to be based on hard information, and Drugscope does an important job in correcting the disinformation of both sides.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 05:34:56 PM EST
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