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Mig:
if they nationalised them, they might not have to guarantee the debt on top of the deposits

I agree, ironically; if the government "nationalizes" the 6 "national" (charter, i.e. licensed) banks, meaning purchase equity or bonds, the government will in deed own the banks' debts. The government need not "guarantee"; it is obligated to repay the banks' debts. In general, in legal terms, any "guarantee" otherwise is not executable.

Irish Times:

Tuesday's guarantee offered by the Irish government to its six national banks to safeguard €400 billion of deposits and bank debt

The ratio of deposits (retail plus commercial) to debt is not given. I assume there is a government sponsored agency that reports this aggregated data to the public.

The correspondent implies two distinct insurance mechanisms. One guarantees the banks' demand depositors in the fashion of the FDIC; premiums paid by banks may be calculated to some ratio of non-borrowed level of funds. The second guarantees the banks' debts,  their borrowed funds, in the fashion of the Bailout Bill or commercial, monoline insurance of third-party transactions.

It is the latter case rather than the former, I imagine from which arises claims of competition, especially "first mover" advantage across the pond. As you know, all depositors, foreign and domestic, to US FDIC-insured banks are protected, so to speak.

I'm embarrassed to say that I am surprised that EU banks don't offer depositors insurance. As for debt (bond) insurance, is it possible the government merely means to imitate the US Bailout Bill by offering an extra-layer of protection and incentive to firms to preserve their deposits in Ireland?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 at 08:31:08 AM EST
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