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There are two English versions out there.

The 'as released' cut done for US release is a hack job and the film is incoherent.

See if you can get the "Special Collector's Edition" (ISBN 0 7921 7272 8) having the virtue of being what Leone wanted.

(Of course, YMMV as to the value of "being what Leone wanted. :)

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 at 01:00:19 PM EST
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There is another version, I don't know what kind of release but TV stations I have access to sometimes use it, with only 20-30 minutes cut. Despite most of the key scenes left in, that, too, is enough to alter the flow and meaning and reduce coherence. And there is yet another, slightly longer version, re-including some scenes Leone cut (cut scenes in a Leone film? sacrilege! I thought when I first read of it), but I could never get access to it, nor are the scenes on youtube (for example, one with Harmonica between the train station and the roadhouse).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 at 01:11:22 PM EST
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They shot a sequence, or part of a sequence, where Harmonica gets the tar beaten out of him by the sheriff and his deputies.   (Something like the Tuco/Angel-Eyes encounter at the POW camp in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.)  This missing sequence is why Harmonica looks like he was beaten-up in the roadhouse; in the script he had been.  I don't know if they ever finished the sequence; it wasn't included in any cut -- that I know of -- tho' there are some stills floating around.

 

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 at 09:04:15 PM EST
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It's roughly cut in the collector's DVD.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Oct 4th, 2008 at 12:52:04 AM EST
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I read of it at several places as a scene that was shot, and included in some Italian re-release, along with a couple of other less important scenes -- now linca confirms. (I want his DVD!)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Oct 4th, 2008 at 07:07:12 AM EST
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The cut English version is the one I had. I'll look out for the Director's Cut.

But anyway - it's just a movie...

<ducks and runs>

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 at 02:26:15 PM EST
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<looks for troll button>

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 at 02:33:56 PM EST
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Is it anything like, The Good, The Bad & The Ugly?  Because that just might be the coolest movie ever made.  

My roomates and I had the soundtrack, and would randomly put our speakers in the window facing the street and blare the theme song.  Could be heard blocks away.  Was a lot of fun.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 at 02:38:19 PM EST
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Is it anything like, The Good, The Bad & The Ugly?

Many stylistic elements are present in both, Morricone was again writing the score, but it is different. More epic, more long scenes, more lead characters (4-5), and a not really happy ending. And more daring: the 12-minute opening scene (credits) is in essence just showing three ugly men being bored, and angel-faced Henry Fonda is the bad guy.

Our tastes have differed before, and the film may have aged, so I can't guarantee you'll like it, but even if not, perhaps it'll be worth it for recognising what inspired later filmmakers.

My roomates and I had the soundtrack

You mean that of The Good, The Bad & The Ugly, or Once Upon A Time in The West?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 at 03:15:12 PM EST
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The Good, The Bad & The Ugly, obviously.



"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 at 04:13:36 PM EST
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Casting Fonda as 'Frank' was a neat piece of casting by Leone.  And it was Leone who cast that role.

Bit o' Trivia: apparently original intent was to cast Eastwood, Wallach, and van Cleef as the 3 bad guys at the opening of Once Upon a Time.  Wouldn't THAT have been fun!

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 at 09:17:26 PM EST
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LOL, never heard that... would have been a neat symbol of moving on from the Dollars trilogy to the Once Upon... trilogy.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Oct 4th, 2008 at 07:10:39 AM EST
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DEATH TO THE INFIDEL!

:-)

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 at 09:13:59 PM EST
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