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One idea would be to do something along the lines we have here, having all the rail and stations owned by the state but the train operators private (though the biggest operator is state owned).

No, that still contains the main problem of separation, and the tricky shifting of externalities. I won't call the Swedish reform a big success (you mention tickets and freeriding), not to mention the similar British one.

That is a problem even if you have it all state owned.

I'm not sure. Present-day state unwillingness to finance line construction is linked to an intention to sell it all off with time; and also to a lack of real interest in public transport and moving freight onto the rails and sustainability, whatever the rhetoric -- but that's again linked to the privatisation drive, too. So a "fully state-owned railway that's meant to remain so" is a hypothetical -- one predicated upon some policy motivation on the part of politicians.

E.g. I think a 100 years ago, you would have gotten that rail link.

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by DoDo on Sat Oct 11th, 2008 at 02:11:21 PM EST
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E.g. I think a 100 years ago, you would have gotten that rail link.

One question to ponder: should the taxpayers fund railroad investment just because a mining company wants the rail to increase the profits?

I'm not saying yes or no here, just that it's something to ponder.

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by Starvid on Sat Oct 11th, 2008 at 05:48:23 PM EST
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The mine will pay for track access for decades, won't it?

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by DoDo on Sat Oct 11th, 2008 at 05:50:34 PM EST
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The current proved ore reserves should last for 13 years, but it's very likely there's much more down in the deep.

I'm not aware if and or how the company will pay for track acess and such. Something to ask at the next annual meeting.

By the way, do check out this really cool video about the huge glacier at the bottom of the Dannemora mine.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/video/will-gadd-ice-mines.html

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by Starvid on Sat Oct 11th, 2008 at 06:06:26 PM EST
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I'm not aware if and or how the company will pay for track acess and such.

Would the company runs its own trains in an open-acces regime, it would have to pay itself.
Would the company pay a railfreight operator to run the trains, track access would be paid by that operator, which of course would make part of the money the company asks for from the mine.
Would the freight branch of a state company broken into separate organiations do it, it would be the same story but with internally paid track access charges.
In a fully integrated state (or private) railway, track access would feature in internal price calculations.

At any rate, I note the gain for railways would be the transport of the ore on the entire route, not just the new track; would be nice if cost/benefit analyses for new line construction would reflect that.

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by DoDo on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 04:22:49 AM EST
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Taxpayers should pay for rail if they wish the mine to use rail carts for its transit. Because rail is infrastructure, and the state does infrastructure. That's one of its big jobs. Just as the state should invest in light rail trolleys to carry food from the main railway station to supermarkets in the city centre, if it wants to encourage the supermarkets to use rail to transport their stuff.

Of course, the owners of the mine should pay a property tax for the mine (and for the deposits in it). And since the value of the mine goes up when the railroad is added, that property tax would go up as well.

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 03:14:08 AM EST
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