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So - I am trying to understand this - instead of candidates, you just have parties for people to vote for?  

For whatever reason, Americans are keen on "voting for the person, not the party."  Plus, people within the same party often disagree with one another.

Those huts are hoot, though.  Between these and Fran's "village squares", well, it is all very quaint, isn't it?

So...  if you live in a modern city, so they still do this?    

I don't think I'd feel very much at home in Sweden.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri Oct 31st, 2008 at 03:13:58 PM EST
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So...  if you live in a modern city, so they still do this?
Yep.

Or well, "modern" is relative. The cathedral next doors is 800 years old and the city itself is 1400 years old (that's not only before christianity in these parts, but before the pagan aesir gods). And "this" city is relative too. The original city is loctad in the northern suburb today, because while it was initially built at the innermost part of a snaky bay of the Baltic sea, the land rose and the city was moved south to the then current seashore about 1000 years ago. Since then the land has risen even further and the bay has turned into a river which empties into a lake which in turns empties into the Baltic about 70 km south of here, in central Stockholm.

So - I am trying to understand this - instead of candidates, you just have parties for people to vote for?

Yes. No. It's complicated.

You vote for a party list on which the local party candidates are pre-ranked by their own party (by means of an internal party election, and lots of foul play). But since about 10-15 years back you can put an X next to a certain candidates name and so move him upwards on the list so that he - if he gets enough votes - can displace a higher ranked candidate.

This is a good reform which sadly hasn't had much result because recent experience have reaffirmed that members of of the Riksdag (our parliament) are just vote button pushers who'll do whatever the party leadership tells them to do. If they refuse and vote against their party (except in unimportant or "moral" issues) they can kiss their party careers and their comfy well payed jobs goodbye. The situation is further aggravated by the fact that we have very many parliamentarians (349) and they are generally very lowly skilled (only 2 are engineers for example). This means very few of them could get jobs that pay as well as their current jobs ($5000 a month) outside of parliament. So they're very careful not to rock the party boat.

The US system have some very important things we could learn from. If you think you have a "unitary executive" you aint seen nothing yet. Our system is in effect (if not in theory) like the Roman crisis system when they elect a dictator on a 6 month mandate, except we do it on a 48 month mandate, and this is especially pronounced when we have a miniority one party (ie soc dem) government.

And we don't have an independent judiciary.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Fri Oct 31st, 2008 at 03:34:56 PM EST
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But well, the thing that shocked me the most when I was in the US during the 2000 election (and I was only 15 at the time) was that not all votes were counted. How are you supposed to do your statistics and accounting if not all the votes are counted?! Here we always count all the votes, no matter if it is bleeding obvious within 5 minutes who'll be the ultimate victor.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Fri Oct 31st, 2008 at 03:37:43 PM EST
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I want to get this out of the way right now.

2000 was not a normal election.  People say 9-11 changed everything, but 2000 may have been just as traumatic.  No American could remember anything like it in their lifetime.  It simply did not happen in America.  It simply could not happen.  The USSC chose the President.  It is my opinion that there is funny business in every election, probably in ever country.  But what happened in 2000 was a bit of an anomaly.  Not because it was unfair, but because of how it was resolved, which has left everyone with the feeling that American democracy is a joke.  But there are elections in this country every year, throughout countless municipalities, counties, states, etc.  And it appears, given the way people are going to the polls like never before, the American people have rethought their opinion that our elections are a joke.  NB:  If Obama loses, it's going to be ugly.  It will def. be another nail in our coffin.  But it is important to remember 2000 in Florida, while it changed the course of world history, was one election, one state, a few counties.

Now, not counting all the votes.

You could be referring to 2 different things.

1.  The way the media does not wait until all the votes are counted before calling a winner, based on statistical probability.

or

2.  The way voting machines discard ballots they consider "invalid."  Some systems are set up so that an "invalid" ballot is caught when the voters scans it, and some people cast their ballot not knowing that their ballot will be considered "invalid."  What constitutes "invalid" varies by machine, and is offensively arbitrary.  But it remains a very small percentage of ballots that are considered "invalid", from what I have seen as a poll watcher.

However, every valid ballot is counted.  Election judges are locked in the polling place when the doors close, and must stay until the votes are counted.  They usually compare the computerized tally to a hand counted sample to make sure there was no hacking or computer errors.  Then the tape listing all the votes and the official tally (looks like a cash register receipt tape roll) is given, by hand to the ... uh, election commission, board of elections, I don't know, whoever runs the elections, and a duplicate is posted publicly.  Or, that's how it works here.  So you don't hear about it, but all the votes are actually counted, in my experience.  Above, I noted that there is no standard way of doing these things, so it could be different elsewhere.  But all votes considered valid are counted at each polling site in my experience.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri Oct 31st, 2008 at 04:08:16 PM EST
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The way the media does not wait until all the votes are counted before calling a winner, based on statistical probability.

How about the way candidates concede an election before an official result has been announced and then unconcede it and get berated for unconceding when there is no official result yet?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 31st, 2008 at 04:23:40 PM EST
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If you want to write a diary about 2000, you are free to.

I am sticking to explaining my experience of how our campaigns work.  That is what my diary is about.  I thought it might be interesting.  Obviously, it is not interesting to you, Migeru.  That's fine - go read something that interests you.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri Oct 31st, 2008 at 04:30:55 PM EST
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Am I not free to reply to a comment as I see fit, poemless?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 31st, 2008 at 04:31:51 PM EST
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Starvid brought up 2000, by the way.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 31st, 2008 at 04:33:02 PM EST
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I had understood that during the 2004 elections, if in a state a candidate's advance was larger that the number of foreign votes, those foreign votes would not be counted...

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Oct 31st, 2008 at 06:39:19 PM EST
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That's what I've heard too. Some of my American friends have decided to fly all the way home to the States to be able to vote, just because they don't trust their votes will be counted if they vote at the US embassy.

Scary.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Fri Oct 31st, 2008 at 07:12:24 PM EST
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