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After years of Bush and decades of crap, to finally feel that things could run in the proper direction is ... I don't know the words.  If Obama starts being successful who in Europe is likely to follow his lead?  Will new politicians need to rise?  Is the establishment too far gone to change?

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 02:41:28 PM EST
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Much of what Obama proposes to do much of Europe has been doing anyway - wind energy, greater public health provision, climate change mitigation, public transport enhancement, human rights, multi-lateral diplomacy etc.

Those leaders most complicit in the Neo-con project - Blair, Aznar have gone, but some inclined that way - Berlusconi, Sarkozi, Kaczynski, Klaus - are still in power.

The bigger problem is where we go from here - the EU is near paralysed by the Lisbon impasse and by disagreements between Merkel and just about everyone else as to how to deal with the economic crisis.

The problem is not so much with leaders as with a lack of institutional capability to provide leadership amongst such a diverse set of 27 distinct polities and little common demos or direct electoral legitimacy..

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 03:43:08 PM EST
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I'm a problem solver and I don't see a solution.  Does this mean that things will have to get much worse before people compromise and make things better, or will the problem solve itself over time, or ... what?

Good to hear that the US might be trying to catch up with the sanity of Europe.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 04:05:22 PM EST
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It mostly means that we have to boot out all the market fundies and neocons from positions of power.

If we manage to do that, we're in a position to quite possibly emerge as the dominant economic and cultural power on the planet - or at least in the Western Hemisphere.

If we don't boot them out, we're screwed. Our starting point is much better than that of the US in the early '80s, but no society can withstand a sustained onslaught of market fundamentalism for more than a couple of decades.

Europe isn't particularly special or exceptional, except inasmuch as we by the grace of good fortune have been endowed with a high-grade industrial infrastructure and strong labour unions. There is nothing inherent in European nature that prevents those things from being dismantled, just as there is nothing inherent in American nature that prevents the US from (re)building them.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Dec 13th, 2008 at 10:36:21 AM EST
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Should I hold my breath while I wait for that to happen?  Or should I be doing something to get that to happen?

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Dec 13th, 2008 at 10:46:52 AM EST
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