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You could also read the graph since 1995 as representing a dip in the Euro/Deutschmark post German re-unification which has now been corrected - and the longer term Deutschmark/Sterling trend is reasserting itself.  Perhaps devaluation has been an ongoing UK strategy since ww2/loss of empire to compensate for ongoing de-industrialisation/loss of competitiveness.

Why change now?  There are no structural factors to offset that long-term decline, and some which will accelerate it, at least in the short term.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Dec 11th, 2008 at 05:27:33 PM EST
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1995-2008: the Anglo Disease in full force, before the symptoms are too obvious.

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 12th, 2008 at 03:50:31 AM EST
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How so? What's the mechanism by which the UK financial sector could prop up the £/€ exchange rate? And why only from '95 through '08? What happened in the early to middle '90s to offset the devaluation in the previous couple of decades?

I'm not saying It's wrong - I just don't see a clear mechanism (whereas the German reunification explanation comes with a pretty neat story).

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Dec 12th, 2008 at 04:30:17 PM EST
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British property bubble - Wikipedia
Property prices in Britain have risen dramatically between 1996 and 2005.


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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 12th, 2008 at 04:43:56 PM EST
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FT.com | Willem Buiter's Maverecon | Could the UK face a sterling crisis, or are we in one already?
One interpretation of the drivers of this persistent overvaluation would be a Dutch disease story, where the role of the natural resource sector in the standard version of the Dutch disease is taking by the UK banking sector.  In this interpretation, a long financial industry bubble in the UK has driven up the real exchange rate in the whole economy and crowded out other sectors producing internationally tradable commodities.  The recent sharp depreciation of sterling corrects this long-standing anomaly


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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Dec 12th, 2008 at 05:02:37 PM EST
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I get that part: Stoopid Furriners(TM) buy into British Ponzi scams with their own currency, which they then have to convert to £, which drives up the £. But why did that become so dramatically more marked in the mid-90s? The fun and games started in the early 80s with Maggie Thatcher, after all. So why this uptick in exchange rates in the middle of Bliar's first or second term?

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Dec 14th, 2008 at 04:13:14 AM EST
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Bliar's first term started in 1997. The Euro started was introduced in 1999 but didn't circulate until 2002. I have always attributed the Euro's initial weakness to the fact that it didn't circulate.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 14th, 2008 at 05:13:02 PM EST
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I didn't realise that Bliar was quite that recent a phenomenon. He seems to have been there for all of my political life. Not that I paid much attention to him before he started going off on that whole ill-advised Iraq adventure...

Which is all well and fine, but according to the graph, the revaluation of the £ happened in '94-'96 against the D-Mark. So the question appears to remain, even if the name of the British PM has to be swapped to whoever it was before Bliar.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Dec 14th, 2008 at 05:19:20 PM EST
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I didn't realise that Bliar was quite that recent a phenomenon.

Youngster :-) 1993: Clinton, 1994: Wim Kok, 1996: Persson, Prodi, 1997: Bliar, Jospin, 1998: Schröder - that was the centre-left Third Wayist (well, except for Jospin) march into power.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Dec 14th, 2008 at 05:31:29 PM EST
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He seems to have been there for all of my political life.

Well, you were not that old in 1997...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 14th, 2008 at 05:33:56 PM EST
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So the question appears to remain

I found a real gem for you.

HOME ECONOMICS FOR THE NINETIES | Independent, The (London) | Find Articles at BNET

...Driven by stockmarket bonuses, foreign investment buyers (principally from Hong Kong and Singapore) and a shortage of the "right" properties, the capital's heated market is seen, by this faction, as the portent of a Second Coming for a nationwide upturn in house prices - regardless of the election results. (Rival agency Knight Frank recently made the dry comment, that it doesn't see the "widely predicted victory for Labour" having a significant effect on the market because "the economic policies of the Labour party do not appear to be dramatically different to those of the current Government".) "Of course, it's nothing like the Eighties boom," said a Savills Surrey consultant in a silk bow tie. "Ten years ago, it didn't matter if a house was as ugly as sin and sat on a main road, people would buy it at any price. These days, buyers are much more fussy and still very cautious." Let's hope he's right, because signs of the crowd hysteria which underlined the 1988 boom-time peak are beginning to re-emerge.

The date of the article is... 27 April 1997. Pretty prescient.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Dec 14th, 2008 at 05:43:04 PM EST
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So... is The Independent praising the NuLab soon-to-be government there, or are they attacking it? I can't really figure out which...

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 07:26:54 AM EST
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Damning with faint praise?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 07:28:10 AM EST
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We could test the German Unification hypothesis by looking at similar time series for £/$ and £/yen exchange rates. If they show a similar picture, then it's probably the £ climbing. If they don't have that kink, it's probably fluctuations in the value of the DM.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Dec 14th, 2008 at 04:16:16 AM EST
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*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Dec 14th, 2008 at 06:01:58 PM EST
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*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Dec 14th, 2008 at 06:09:26 PM EST
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Nice figures, but I'm not quite sure what story they tell. Where did you find them, and do they have the numbers that go into them so I can do an overlay of all three time series?

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 07:30:48 AM EST
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Bank of England...

*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 08:00:22 AM EST
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Given the speciality of the dollar's course vs. the Euro, and Japan's aspiration for the Yen to follow the dollar, I'm not sure much can be derived from this graph.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 08:33:34 AM EST
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My take would be that Sterling has performed similarly against other major currencies with the exception of the Euro from 1999 to 2003 when it significantly over performed against the Euro.  Perhaps this reflects anglo scepticism about the prospects for the Euro in its early days - and as Mig says - particularly during the period prior to its formal introduction (Jan 2002) as the cash currency for all participating members.  Perhaps its a case of the Euro gradually gaining credibility and traction such thet 90% of UK trade is now transacted in Euros.

Euro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After the introduction of the euro, its exchange rate against other currencies fell heavily, especially against the U.S. dollar. From an introduction at US$1.18/€, the euro fell to a low of $0.8228/€ by 26 October 2000. After the appearance of the coins and notes in 1 January 2002 and the replacement of all national currencies, the euro then began steadily appreciating, and soon regained parity with the U.S. dollar, on 15 July 2002. Since December 2002, the euro has not again fallen below parity with the U.S. dollar but instead began an ascendency. On 23 May 2003, the euro surpassed its initial ($1.18) trading value for the first time. At the end of 2004, it reached $1.3668 (€0.7316/$) as the U.S. dollar fell against all major currencies. Against the U.S. dollar, the euro temporarily weakened in 2005, falling to $1.18 (€0.85/$) in July 2005, and was stable throughout the third quarter of 2005. In November 2005 the euro again began to rise steadily against the U.S. dollar, hitting one record high after another. On 15 July 2008, the euro rose to an all-time high of $1.5990 (€0.6254/$). In a reversal, in August of 2008 the euro began to drop against the U.S. dollar. In just two weeks the euro fell from its peak to $1.48 and by late October it reached a two and a half year low below $1.25.[59] On 12 December 2008, the pound sterling fell to an all-time low of £0.89235 (€1.1206/£) against the euro.[60]


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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 09:35:14 AM EST
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once it becomes that rumania has a better chance of feeding its own population, i expect the £ will find its 'true value'.

the usa might be about to get re-aquainted with the joys of manual labour to a barely imaginable degree, but at least they have enough land to feed themselves.

the english are a few beers, and a few more factories closing, away from mob rule.

and what a charming mob!

anglo disease has consequences, and chickens have a way...

prediction: the next monarch will take the electric bus with the rest of the folks while going to work on the community farm.

charles has done his homework, i wish you could say that about more brits, toffs or not.

 

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 10:09:46 AM EST
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But will Charles be a sustainable King?

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 05:21:47 PM EST
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lol

good question

i can only say that if the monarchy has any sustainability going forward, it will thrive better under chucky than it will in its present constipated form.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 10:43:05 PM EST
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If I had to take a stab, I'd call that a sharp devaluation of the £ around '93, followed by a more or less steady climb (with a peak around '97-'99 - what happened there?) until the present crash, overlaid by a period from '99 through '03 where the € was undervalued.

This is certainly compatible with Jerome's diagnosis, and with Migeru's ideas about the relative weakness of the € around the time of its introduction.

The German reunification, OTOH, does not strike me as overwhelmingly obvious in that figure.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 01:44:27 PM EST
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(with a peak around '97-'99 - what happened there?)

As per upthread: the re-start of the housing boom; and also London having its part in the dotcom boom (but even London was left on the sidelines by Wall Street by 1999); both of which meant a flood of foreign capital.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 01:54:37 PM EST
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OK, it sounds like we are starting to have a cute story... I'm not sure I want to get carried away yet, but it's definitely a cute story.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 03:47:00 PM EST
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The German reunification, OTOH, does not strike me as overwhelmingly obvious in that figure.

Indeed the DEM never had it so good as in the first few years after Reunification. Reunification might still have a effect if investors 'realised' the economic problems around it with delay. Redstar however will surely point blame at Bundesbank policy in those years.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 at 01:57:34 PM EST
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