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Which brings to mind Wagoner speaking to Congress about the feasability of GM's future production of hybrids, that the problems were only slowly being overcome but that he'd expect an intorductory model in something like 2 years.

As usual, corporate America is once again full of shit. I'd so love to get rid of those SOB's in Detroit, if it weren't for losing the UAW as well.

Those who talk of about the moral hazard involved in bailing out the US automakers, those who tell you that chapter 11 bankruptcy is the way to go, are really looking to do some union busting.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire

by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Fri Dec 19th, 2008 at 05:51:22 AM EST
I just heard that a deal will be announced for bridge financing for GM and Chrysler, and guess what? Part of the deal is that concessions will be demanded from the UAW. More concessions, from a union that has done nothing but give ground for almost 30 years.

That's how you get republicans on board with this. It just makes me ill.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire

by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Fri Dec 19th, 2008 at 06:04:14 AM EST
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Actually, if I understand TomP's diary at dKos, it looks like the press was wrong on most of those bits regarding the UAW.  The wage cuts aren't actually wage cuts but merely targets.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Dec 19th, 2008 at 10:48:08 AM EST
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The targets are at least a year away and Obama will have eleven months to re-do this eye-gouge to labor.  My suggestion is that the Obama Admin. demand that Wagoner's predecessor, (who, AIRC, has been active in hybrid technology) be brought back, be put in charge of hybirds if not GM, and that PEH become "job 1" for GM.  Congress should put strong incentives in place for consumers to purchase and for local governments and companies to put in place infrastructure to support PEH vehicles.  If you can recharge at work you double the time spent in "all electric mode."

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Dec 20th, 2008 at 02:34:14 PM EST
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I am sympathetic to the cause of and need for unions, but the UAW has given ground because they had a lot to give. I would like to see a close watch on making this deal fair to everyone.  It is unfortunate that labor is being asked to reduce hard won wage rates, but they really are like the companies, between a rock and a hard place.

Both the manufacturers and labor in Detroit have been privileged in many ways. The manufacturers have had their way with government using influence to  manipulate government and regulation to produce quick short term profits rather than using opportunities to produce innovative, quality products that would have made them competitive for the long term. For its part, labor cut its own throat by refusing to live with reasonable and comparable wage and benefit options, and that's why successful foreign manufacturers chose areas outside Detroit to open their own American plants.

Frankly, I haven't bought a car produced by the Detroit "big three" in over 35 years, and I'm not sure I ever will buy from them again. I rate the Detroit produced cars owned up there with my Fiat as all time worst investments.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sat Dec 20th, 2008 at 02:46:20 PM EST
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