When a radical feminist female uses insulting words in the direction of transwomen, she understand this to be no different from using insulting words in the direction of males. It might be rude, crude, and socially unacceptable, it might be insulting, but it isn't hate speech. It's not discriminatory. Because given power differentials as
they exist between males and females, females aren't situated socially so as to be able to discriminate against males, or to be bigoted towards males or to be phobic against males. To the contrary, our experience as females is that males are to be feared because they hurt females and to say so, and behave accordingly, is not "phobic," it is based on female reality

Trans women are men in her book, no debate, no shade of grey. Okay, she wrote that last year, but short of a very public change of mind and a deep apology, let's just say we're not counting her as an ally just yet. {snigger}

As for other feminists, it's difficult to say. Elsewhere I have mentioned that the feminists I knew and associated with (I'm 50) are all 2nd wave greenham common wimminists and, although they have "accepted" my change as being beneficial to me, I'm not convinced it's shaken their core belief that the transwomen are somehow misguided and aren't really women (and that transmen aren't really men) and shouldn't even hope for, let alone expect, sisterhood.

This somewhat colours my ideas of feminism. And seeing as I'm not allowed to participate in feminist discussion or go on RTN marches because I am trans, it's difficult to get any other viewpoint (especially when these prohibitions kinda confirm the idea they're all anti-trans).

So you feel I am anger-fuelled and confrontational towards feminists. I am not angry at you individually but, given that trans people didn't start this fight and there remains a significant number of feminists who continue to be hateful towards us, I think I'm entitled to a little exasperation at least. After all, it's been going on for so many years that transphobia seem woven into the very fabric of many assumptions underlying certain schools of feminism. These happen to be the dominant feminist narratives in the UK media right now. After all, it isn't just bindel, there has been a persistent trickle of articles from feminists that are hostile to trans people and precious few that are even neutral, let alone supportive. If, as you say, people change, then it's taking a lot longer than it ought.

By recently publicising our disgust at bindel's transphobia and the media's and feminist hypocrisy in supporting her we seem to have stirred up a hornets nest and I'm reading a lot of nasty stuff right now. And whilst I see individuals, I don't see feminist groups or prominent feminists complaining. So, paranoia may cause me to draw my brush too broadly, but it's hard to avoid the fact that some feminists are out to get us. We have never forgotten (or fogiven) what real actual damage Raymond's hatred achieved in the US when she succesfully campaigned to close John Hopkins GRU and we always fear a repeat from certain well-placed feminists here.

As poemless says;-

a belief in human equality regardless of gender seems, I don't know, a fundamental pillar of feminism

It sums up what I understand to be 3rd wave feminism. but here in the UK, feminists with a public pulpit aren't yet with the programme. Or if they are, equality doesn't seem to be extended to a bunch of self-mutilating weirdo men who want to be accepted as women; that, it would seem, is a step too far.

I regret sounding angry, but I have much to be angry about.

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