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It wasn't a premise, that research must serve a technical purpose. For me knowledge is one of the most noble things we can get. If it were for technical purposes the spin-offs of the attempts to get the difficult task done are anyhow much bigger than what I ever expect from the real physics.
But if you read in the media about LHC they will usually write about Higgs, extra dimensions, string-theory, sometimes Susy. But there are other interesting things as well and as a physicist working on bread and butter issues like meson spectroscopy I want to write about interesting stuff you can't read everywhere.

And selling is very important ;-)
Some time ago I read in the newspaper a discussion about humanities (word sounds strange, but that's what my dictionary gives me for 'Geisteswissenschaften') and science, where the author challenged the claim by humanists, they would be underfinanced due to the lack of economic useful results, as a myth. He wrote astronomers and particle physicists as well don't produce much more useful results, but are excellent at selling their work as important, while humanists lack any good PR for their subject.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Feb 21st, 2008 at 01:12:04 PM EST
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Sorry, are people calling supersymmetry "Susy"? I hadn't heard that before. (I follow developments in this area, but only very infrequently and from afar.)

I agree that there should be research for the sake of research, but I don't think there's anything wrong with speculating about what practical benefits may accrue from the research, as long as it isn't argued that the research is conducted solely for those practical reasons. We can look for them, and even try to anticipate what they may be, but we must not allow them to become the raison d'être for research.

As for the humanists, their subject of study just isn't all that popular with people. Familiarity breeds contempt, as they say. ;)

Il faut se dépêcher d'agir, on a le monde à reconstruire

by dconrad (drconrad {arobase} gmail {point} com) on Thu Feb 21st, 2008 at 03:27:25 PM EST
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Yep, susy is the shortform of Supersymmetry and used pretty often even for conferences.


Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Feb 21st, 2008 at 03:46:16 PM EST
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Yes, they've been calling it that for over 20 years.

There was a time when supersymmetric models were all the rage. Now supersymmetry is a requirement to make string theory consistent and string theory is all the rage, so SuSy lives on, even though people have burned the original SuSy papers they wrote in the 1980's.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 21st, 2008 at 04:06:27 PM EST
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Martin:
He wrote astronomers and particle physicists as well don't produce much more useful results, but are excellent at selling their work as important, while humanists lack any good PR for their subject.

Except for the economists - arguably not so human at all, but easily the most successful of the humanities.

PR is usually seen as 'public education' - it's not usually acknowledged that it has a direct influence on research funding and future research directions.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Feb 22nd, 2008 at 08:23:06 AM EST
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Ah, but isn't the big PR point of economics that it sells itself as not a social science or liberal arts field?

More specifically, they claim they understand their subject well enough, at a quantitive level, to do detailed prediction and policy prescription, something the humanities in general are very reluctant about.

by GreatZamfir on Fri Feb 22nd, 2008 at 08:32:58 AM EST
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