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And for  more substantive answer, we're making this shit up as we go along precisely because formalising rules too early would be fatally stupid and a waste of already precious energy.

Maybe this works for you, but in my experience it doesn't work very well for most organisations and is not, in any case, in accordance with some fairly elementary principles of due process and natural justice.  I trust you don't work in the law, in management, in HR or in trade union movement, because that approach could very quickly get you into a lot of trouble.  If ET is ever to become more than a small collective, or alternatively becomes a target for unsympathetic activists it could also get ET into some bother.  The fact that ET is a voluntary body is not particularly relevant as far as the law is concerned.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Mar 21st, 2008 at 06:08:28 PM EST
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I suppose that public hearings on all rulings and disputes would be the first obvious step towards proper justice?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 21st, 2008 at 06:13:38 PM EST
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No, most dispute resolution processes involve elements of confidentiality and privacy, and above all trust in the impartiality and objectivity of the process itself.  You seem to confuse transparency in structures and procedures with the actual process itself which can take place in camera at the request of one of the parties involved.  If things get serious there are also issues of representation, the presumption of innocence, the right to one's good name, non prejudicial disclosure of irrelevant information, and above all a separation of the roles of Judge, Jury, prosecution and defense advocates, victim, witness, and the public etc. to try and ensure the process remains objective and doesn't get over personalised.  However the biggest issue is a shared trust in the fairness of the process and the people handling it.  If that isn't there you don't have a basis for moving forward and festering disputes and people leaving becomes inevitable.  Is that what you want?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Mar 21st, 2008 at 06:37:39 PM EST
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The trust and impartiality of ET seems to be vested in the biodiversity of viewpoints - as it should be. The extent of success IMO is the effectiveness of self-regulation.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Mar 21st, 2008 at 06:46:21 PM EST
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