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Not gonna happen.

Absolutely.

At least in the UK - even under NuLabour -nationalisation, while painful, is still conceivable.

In fact, the legislation they put in place for Northern Rock is open ended....

The question Francois a Paris and I are debating is whether it is politically possible in the US to bail out the banks and not the poor bloody mortgagees....

He reckons it is, I don't think so.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 10:57:24 AM EST
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The question Francois a Paris and I are debating is whether it is politically possible in the US to bail out the banks and not the poor bloody mortgagees....

While there were quite a few poor folks who were victims of fraud, let's not pretend as though this mess was a product of Wall Street simply preying on poor people.  Many, if not most, of the homebuyers were middle- and upper-middle-class households operating under the belief that they could make a whole bunch of money flipping houses indefinitely, unaware that, yes, house prices can and will fall.

I'm not in favor of bailing out non-mission-critical financial institutions, nor am I in favor of bailing out those who are essentially gambling addicts with incomes much higher than my own.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 11:22:15 AM EST
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Drew J Jones:
Many, if not most, of the homebuyers were middle- and upper-middle-class households operating under the belief that they could make a whole bunch of money flipping houses indefinitely, unaware that, yes, house prices can and will fall.
Wouldn't those have been the "prime" borrowers? Wasn't "subprime" mortgage lending a textbook case of predatory lending?

Wikipedia: Subprime lending

Generally, subprime borrowers will display a range of credit risk characteristics that may include one or more of the following:

  • Two or more loan payments paid past 30 days due in the last 12 months, or one or more loan payments paid past 90 days due the last 36 months;
  • Judgment, foreclosure, repossession, or non-payment of a loan in the prior 48 months;
  • Bankruptcy in the last 7 years;
  • Relatively high default probability as evidenced by, for example, a credit bureau risk score (FICO) of less than 620 (depending on the product/collateral), or other bureau or proprietary scores with an equivalent default probability likelihood.
Oh, by the way, the owner of AmeriQuest died yesterday... Like Ken Lay, he got off easy.
Roland E. Arnall (1939 - March 17, 2008) was a U.S. Ambassador to the Netherlands, named to that post after becoming the billionaire owner of Ameriquest, which was once one of the United States's leading wholesale sub-prime lenders. The company was one of the largest privately held retail mortgage lenders in the United States. In early 2006, the company announced a $325 million settlement with state attorneys general and law enforcement agencies and financial regulators in 49 states and the District of Columbia over allegations of predatory lending practices. Ameriquest faced allegations that, among other things, it misled and overcharged borrowers, and falsified loan applications.[citation needed]


It'd be nice if the battle were only against the right wingers, not half of the left on top of that — François in Paris
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 11:32:40 AM EST
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About Ken Lay: did anyone ever produce a corpse?  I'm sceptical...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 12:45:34 PM EST
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Precisely. And this dude conveniently resigned as Ambassador to the Netherlands 10 days before his death, for "health reasons" though not his own but his son's health.

It'd be nice if the battle were only against the right wingers, not half of the left on top of that — François in Paris
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 12:47:46 PM EST
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check the flights to south America, it's the traditional hideout for people who lean to the right.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 12:51:34 PM EST
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lol  http://www.kenlayisalive.org/

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 01:01:27 PM EST
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