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I think of it as "Quality Control" - in the financial services sector in particular - but lots of people there seem to regard it as "business prevention"....

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 11:43:24 AM EST
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so they are the ethics frontline in the war for truth in advertising bank services (!) and honest business practice?

the guys who have to rat out the people they hobnob with when the line is stamped on instead of toed?

it sounded a bit like a newspeak euphemism for 'collection agency', lol!

anyway, these citizens have to be moral giants, and accountable to the nth degree. how can one ensure that, other than by making their salaries competitive with those who would seek to corrupt them?

if every man has a price, what would be their's?

if they're smart enough to figure out who's finagling whom, yet chose not to play that game themselves, how many people have the knowledge and the integrity needed?

from what i understand, your system spreads the risk, in much the same way as napster shared server loads, is that the correlation?
thanks for answering.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 at 06:32:25 AM EST
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melo:
from what i understand, your system spreads the risk, in much the same way as napster shared server loads, is that the correlation?

Indeed. The current position is that the risk load - which originates from the "end user" market participants - is currently being borne by middlemen/intermediaries.

Moreover, these risk intermediaries - and credit institutions are only one class, we also see "Central Counterparty" Clearing Houses - have been consolidating over time and now constitute what I believe to be "single points of failure".

The system must be disintermediated, and the risk shared between the end users who originate it. That process of risk outsourcing is what happend imperfectly and opaquely and led to the current disaster. We need a new, and simple, approach.

That is what "Peer to Peer" connectivity enables, and is what I was writing about seven years ago here

Market 3.0

It seems to have been picked up on (finally!) maybe because the Internet has matured, and "Peer to Peer" has come along and become more assimilated into peoples' thinking.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 at 09:18:03 AM EST
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Actually, the current credit crisis is not the result of risk concentration, but of the wide dispersion of risk via securitisation in such a way that nobody know who's left holding the bag and so nobody trusts anyone else and the credit system gets all gummed up.

In other words, it would be a good thing if risk were concentrated in a few, identifiable, "single points of failure" because then the failures could be contained.

Instead we have poorly diversified risk in a majority of institutions (which makes them rather vulnerable to shocks) and, in addition, the spreading out of this risk through securitisation (which allows those doing the securitisation to generate even more risk).

In that sense, it's not clear to me how peer-to-peer "risk sharing" is a good thing. If risk is not confined to small containers it gets much harder to control.

It'd be nice if the battle were only against the right wingers, not half of the left on top of that — François in Paris

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 at 09:26:26 AM EST
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Migeru:
In other words, it would be a good thing if risk were concentrated in a few, identifiable, "single points of failure" because then the failures could be contained.

That's the theory. But the risks would not be "contained".

What you get is the likes of Shell, BP, and Gazprom plus hedge funds - not to mention the investment banks' proprietary teams who ride on the backs of the others - all outside the box.

And if you look at the capitalisation of the typical clearing house it's not even a pimple on the arse of the risks they run.

A clearing house is an almost precise analogy of a credit institution. They keep a cushion of capital (equity plus margin) to cover defaults.

The trouble is that I would bet my bottom dollar that their risk management is inadequate in addressing the "black swans" eg a London Tin Crisis, or a Metallgesellschaft (where NYMEX was dead lucky that the Germans bailed them out) and IMHO the bigger they get, the bigger the disaster when it comes: which, like an earthquake in an earthquake zone, it inevitably will.

Simply unitising risks into "n'ths" allows it to be pooled among and backed by all of the end users, with default pools held by a "Custodian".

The risk continues to be managed by the same people as service providers who are currently doing so as intermediaries.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 at 10:04:05 AM EST
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