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for those most uplifting words!

I've been feeling a bit useless and out of things to say lately. it's good to have things put in perspective again, so as not to give up too quickly...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Mar 30th, 2008 at 07:20:18 PM EST
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Jerome, don't feel down. Feel knurd. It's unpleasant but it works.

What you're doing has nothing to do with Greenpeace/Bové style activism. The "Anglo disease" is about framing the discourse and, interestingly enough, the action is directed towards the media and politicians, not ordinary citizens. In some degree, it's lobbying.

Plus, you have a pretty serious ally in this affair: reality. The Anglo disease is not an important issue because you feel very strongly about it (the ward single-issue activist use to gauge their own importance). It's important because it's real and it's bitting the whole lot of us right now.

That's more what I call citizen expertise: developing and articulating knowledge about important issues outside of the anointed circles so it is possible to tell them "No, you are wrong and here's the proof" when they serve their usual "expert" crap. That works even (and, probably especially well) for highly technical issues.

But you don't go around hectoring passers-by on how immoral they are for not caring deeply about the Anglo disease. That's what Greenpeace and the single-issue activists are doing and then they are all outraged and indignant when the passers-by just answer "whatever".

by Francois in Paris on Sun Mar 30th, 2008 at 09:56:38 PM EST
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But you don't go around hectoring passers-by on how immoral they are for not caring deeply about the Anglo disease. That's what Greenpeace and the single-issue activists are doing

That is really one over the top and one too many, François. Belittle protests, or oppose the notion of protesting, if you like, but this is not even accurate.

Funny that I started this by sighing over the protest I had attended.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Mar 31st, 2008 at 03:11:54 AM EST
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This is my experience.
by Francois in Paris on Mon Mar 31st, 2008 at 01:23:50 PM EST
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Have never once seen it. Ditsy useless songs and slogans, oh yes, but not harassing passers-by with accusations.

But you're the tough guy around here, if you're to be believed. So you should agree with activists for being unpleasant and threatening rather than ineffectual, right?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Mar 31st, 2008 at 02:44:25 PM EST
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Unpleasant if they want. Threatening, certainly not. It will land them in jail. Ineffectual, always.

But you're the tough guy around here, if you're to be believed.

No innuendo, afew. What do you mean?

by Francois in Paris on Mon Mar 31st, 2008 at 03:06:43 PM EST
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A reference to a number of your comments:

When I hear the Greenpeace whining, it really makes me want to harpoon a whale and club a baby seal just for the heck of it

I'm going to be mean and vindictive again

you should have spent more time shooting down the old guard of the PS

I don't want soft-spoken goo-goos à la Jimmy Carter. I want real sons of a bitch who don't hesitate to yield power and club the other side to pulp.

I thought that, finally, you might find that activist s-o-bs who hector passers-by were your kind of folk...

:-P

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Mar 31st, 2008 at 03:47:35 PM EST
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No, 'cause they are ineffectual. Outcomes matter :>
by Francois in Paris on Mon Mar 31st, 2008 at 04:09:30 PM EST
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