Yes, I don't think that either myself or Robert discounts the superman feelings of young people but still think there is some fraction is that some (not all) have calculated that they will be rescued if they get into trouble-otherwise they would not take radios and cell phones with them.

And yes from I have heard, intermediate skiers are the ones most likely to break their bones. Experts know better, beginners are cautious thus those in between think they know but do not know their limitations.

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