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It's like almost any finite resource.  Oil, trees, minerals...we've overconsumed, and now need the rest of the world not to catch up to our levels while we do a very poor job/no job at all of cutting back.

One thing about which I've never been sure, though, is the practicality/viability of organic/non-intensive agriculture without animals as part of the mix?  In crop rotation, haven't the nitrogen-fixers traditionally been used as animal food?

by Sassafras on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 06:09:28 PM EST
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I don't think anyone's suggesting doing without animals - just that the industrial farming of animals is totally unsustainable. Animal farming used to be done by grazing on marginal land or, as you point out, by using marginal products as feed, as opposed to using prime land to intensively produce cattle feed.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 06:19:40 PM EST
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One of the big agricultural progresses of the modern era (from the 16th century onwards) was actually introducing grass into the crop rotation, instead of letting the prime land fallow (see this wikipedia page...

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 08:19:25 PM EST
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It depends on the region and its climate and its weather patterns.

Generally speaking, a diverse farm operation, including animals, produces more food value/acre than a comparable specialized farm.  That's because a diversified farm has more than one use for a particular piece of land, e.g., using the orchard for sheep grazing (grass & windfalls) and hay production.

To answer your question, yes.  Typical nitrogen fixers are clover or alfalfa.  Typically they are planted with grass to provide pasture/hay.  The animals graze the pasture and their dropping help fertilizer the ground.  An additional benefit to using the ground this way is that it helps to break disease and pest cycles.

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by ATinNM on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 11:00:53 PM EST
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You're forgetting the nitrogen-fixing pulses: peas, beans, lentils, etc, that should be part of human nutrition even for non-vegetarians.

For our local food co-op, I deal with two organic farmers. One provides us with wheat flour, rapeseed and sunflower oil: he has beef cattle to feed manure into the system. His neighbours don't have animals, and put chick peas and lentils (that we buy from them) into the crop rotation.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 04:29:36 AM EST
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I did write, "Generally."  :-þ      

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by ATinNM on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 07:58:55 PM EST
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