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I think an international auto-blog would be a very interesting side-project. It would certainly be a useful and noteworthy thing, even with some manual tweaking of output. The idea is inherently powerful, even if the the implementation would probably be less so.

But in the short term we'll get more mileage from localising ET for non-English use, perhaps with a simple link to a 'translate this page' feature on something like Babelfish. It would be a simple and quick mash-up which would do the job almost as well as a three year research project would.

I wouldn't see developing new language community spin-offs as a bad thing, as long as there was some cross fertilisation between them.

If ET became multilingual overnight, we'd soon be swamped by content. We might be better off having roving front pagers who can cross-post specific topics.

Possibly the easiest way to implement this would be to run everything on a single server in a single database, with language tags for user filtering, and either individual cross-post tags for specific language crossovers, and a global show-all tag for ultra-special posts that would interest everyone.

With a bit of code you could possibly persuade the mash-up to show the translations automatically, with an option to have volunteer translators who can spend 15-20 minutes beating a machine translation into something that makes local sense.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 05:47:15 AM EST
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I think my reply to PerClupi - just below, and written at the same time as yours, says more or less the same thing.  Even if this project is not 100% successful first time around - it is an effort which should be made, and an effort the EU should support.  In fact its a hugely ambitious effort, and even a few stepa in the direction of supporting cross linguistic dialogue and blogging would be a hugely powerful tool towards supporting the creation of an EU Demos or active citizenry.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 05:58:56 AM EST
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Well, my comment to PerClupi is along the same line. (see below)

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 06:05:07 AM EST
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...Although I also think the idea needs to fit into a bigger picture. Otherwise it will become a technical project for the sake of it, rather than something that's really going to have a social impact.

My take on it would be to keep it as simple as possible - multiple sites, a single server, a single database, simple auto translation, some manual tagging and editing.

I don't think a fully automated site is possible for now, and we shouldn't promise that to anyone.

Functionally I think the different language versions should be independent with some cross-posting. The plan wouldn't be to have all of the content duplicated across all the sites.

Position papers can probably stay in English, although French and German would be useful.

If you tag the auto-translation with a Beta label, no one will expect great things of it, which would help to minimise disappointment.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 06:18:45 AM EST
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I think my reply to PerClupi - just below, and written at the same time as yours, says more or less the same thing.  Even if this project is not 100% successful first time around - it is an effort which should be made, and an effort the EU should support.  In fact its a hugely ambitious effort, and even a few stepa in the direction of supporting cross linguistic dialogue and blogging would be a hugely powerful tool towards supporting the creation of an EU Demos or active citizenry.

Melanchthon may be able to advise on the level of detail that would be required for a grant application.  Often they don't require a fully researched solution, only a statement of what the project objectives are, how we propose to address them, and what our capabilities/experience of delivering such projects/services are.  

The EU ill not expect a fully fledged solution for the amount of money we are talking about - say 150k. - with 90k provided by EU.  I will make some inquiries about finding an Irish public source/sponsor to make a contribution towards the remaining 60K - I think this is where the timescale will probably prove impossible, although the same project proposal used to apply for EU funding could also be used to apply for national/local funds, and presumably it will not be necessary to have the 60K in place to apply for the 90K.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 06:44:18 AM EST
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