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Maybe I was unclear what I meant, I didn't mean, that gas taxes are in general irrelevant, but that this is not the place where currently change is needed.

The fact, that the gov speaks about houses is no contradiction to that, but a support. In general I'm not unhappy with the gov's environmental policies, I was talking only about what Mr. Tiefensee said. And it is of course no support for your statement that the 'ecological movement' is addressing all the issues, as the current gov doesn't contain people I would count as part of that, while the previous gov did contain such people, and obviously did not deal with the house insulation issues in a way, that only small changes would be enough now.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu May 29th, 2008 at 04:46:23 PM EST
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obviously did not deal with the house insulation issues

As I write downthread, the current programme started in 2001... and all four ministers of the responsible ministry during Schröder's time (Müntefering, Klimmt, Bodewig, Stolpe) were SPD ministers, so funny thing you think the Greens should have acted.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu May 29th, 2008 at 04:52:10 PM EST
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Well, if it is an important issue, I think the greens should have acted on that. If you think that is funny, then you certainly will be happy if I put the responisbility of the likely Bahn privatisation mostly on the SPD, because they have currently that ressort?

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu May 29th, 2008 at 05:00:45 PM EST
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Well, if it is an important issue, I think the greens should have acted on that

I repeat the obvious: the Greens didn't have the ministry to act with.  It was nice enough to have Trittin battle Clement over the responsibility for energy policy, with Trittin controlling the feed-in law. Pressure is another thing, and there was pressure and there was effect - I repeat that that programme started in 2001 -, though it is one thing when the pressure comes from the senior coalition partner and another when it is a small one.

will be happy if I put the responisbility of the likely Bahn privatisation mostly on the SPD

Happy I won't be, but they are deep in responsibility.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu May 29th, 2008 at 05:07:20 PM EST
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Martin:
And it is of course no support for your statement that the 'ecological movement' is addressing all the issues, as the current gov doesn't contain people I would count as part of that, while the previous gov did contain such people, and obviously did not deal with the house insulation issues in a way, that only small changes would be enough now.

You are really stretching it when you want to suggest that the greens did not want to do more in the Schröder cabinet than what was decided back then (the current programme, as DoDo states). Anyway, this is from their current (awfully titled) 'Energie 2.0 - Die Grünen Maßnahmen bis 2020'.
Gebäudesanierungspaket
  • Verschärfung der Energieeinsparverordnung (EnEV)
  • Energieausweis für Gebäude
  • KfW-Gebäudesanierungsprogramm verlässlich ausfinanzieren
  • Förderprogramm der technischen Gebäudeausstattung
  • Steuerliche Abschreibung von Sanierungsmaßnahmen

You can find the detailed proposals in the .pdf
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu May 29th, 2008 at 05:26:22 PM EST
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