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This applies to the left in general, I think.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu May 8th, 2008 at 10:36:46 AM EST
It applies to any movement whose goal is to organize penury or, worse, create it.

People won't choose penury. Period.

They may have to suffer it if it is imposed by dictatorial fiat or by physical reality and the market - which is just a way to organize and arbitrate penury - but they will never choose it willingly.

So, if environmentalists want to meet success, they must start to think how to power and supply civilization and how to sustain more growth, far, far more growth. The problem is not growth by itself. The problem is footprint. How to do more, a lot more with less impact? That's the only question worth answering. How to plan for prosperity while stabilizing or reducing the footprint.

Btw, if penury is real, it will enforce itself. The shift in car buying patterns in the US is perfect illustration of that.

Even better, penury will enforce itself without the help of any political movement. Reality always asserts itself without any help. Reality is a big boy :)

by Francois in Paris on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 04:44:43 PM EST
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Francois in Paris:
People won't choose penury. Period.

They may have to suffer it if it is imposed by dictatorial fiat or by physical reality and the market - which is just a way to organize and arbitrate penury - but they will never choose it willingly.

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Btw, if penury is real, it will enforce itself. The shift in car buying patterns in the US is perfect illustration of that.

So the best we can hope for in political economy is to react to a crisis even if the crisis was predictable and could have been made more manageable by "organizing penury"?

You're probably right, but it is quite sad. It means the only regimes able to organize penury are authoritarian, but by their authoritarian nature they won't be responsive.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 07:28:32 AM EST
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