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The big advantage of the "netroots" is that there are lots of players, so you get get lots of money from them. Example: Obama versus Clinton fundraising...
by asdf on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 02:00:34 PM EST
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The internet is a communication and organizing tool.

It is not an organization.  

Obama and Clinton campaigns were active organizations that used the internet as a communication tool to tap into the money and energy of the netroots.  They played the netroots like a $2 banjo when they needed to and ignored it the rest of the time.

 

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 02:21:44 PM EST
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Whoops.  

Sorry asdf.  That unintentionally reads as being directed at you.  I meant to direct the comment to the situation.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 02:28:26 PM EST
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What is a $2 banjo? Never heard that saying before...
by asdf on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 02:53:07 PM EST
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Have you heard of a €1.50 banjo, maybe?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 02:56:05 PM EST
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€1.50? Are you using out of date exchange rates, or is the extra €0.22 due to VAT?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 03:06:43 PM EST
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American idiom meaning "was easily and successfully manipulated."  


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 02:58:55 PM EST
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ATinNM:
The internet is a communication and organizing tool.

It is not an organization.  

No, but there's no reason - apart from practicality, media pressure and common sense - why interest groups can't be turned into organisations.

What's the alternative?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 03:19:40 PM EST
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Communication precedes and is necessary for organization.  Communication can never replace organization.   And certainly the internet can never replace local organizations in the field, factories, workshops, offices, and precincts.

That was my point.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 03:56:25 PM EST
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Well, that was my point too. But I disagree about the scope. I think the media are loosely equivalent to the old fields, factories, offices and precincts.

The model used to be that personal contact led naturally to personal solidarity.

That doesn't happen any more, because oppression is mediated and indirect. A gang of thugs won't turn up to beat up the union leader, because the union leader's job will have been outsourced, so the thugs are no longer necessary. Because of that it's much harder for people to make a connection between their personal experience and the bigger picture, and to understand why they might want to work others to do something about it.

The Internet has the potential to fill in that gap for them, and to create virtual meeting points which can kick start personal solidarity. dKos has made a start on this, but it's going to have to be taken much further to create a real push-back.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 06:33:32 PM EST
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