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Discussing the quarter finals and semi-finals.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 10:35:11 AM EST
right now, I'm dooming germany and russia by suggesting they'll be the finalists.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 10:45:21 AM EST
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Where is your "semi-finals predictions" thread?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 10:45:44 AM EST
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I thought already in dodo's Euro 2008 knockout stage we have made our forecasts. However, of course with partially the wrong teams.

Germany - Turkey
Russia  - Spain

The first should be rather clear. Turkey has big problems with both injured and barred players. Additionally already in the  past games, they were lucky. Therefore Germany will win.
I think Loew will stick to the 4-2-3-1 system, but as a 4-4-2 should work, too, I would suggest to switch, if Turkey should make the first goal. One might think about taking Borowski on the right side instead of Fritz compared to the Portugal game, which might be a little bit more offensive variant.

I have not seen any game Russia completely so far. But others told me, they were quite impressed. In any case it won't be 4-1 again as in the group phase. Spain was already very nervous against Italy. I guess the two a bit similar teams will neutralise each other this time, and we are going to see another penalty shoot-out. In this case I think the Spanish team has the better nerves and will win the game.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 04:05:22 PM EST
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Well, be forewarned: during the 1994 World Cup, when the German team saw that their quarterfinals opponents 'prepare' for the match by going to a bar, they thought it'll be an easyí win on superior condition - but Bulgaria won 2-1....

Oliver Bierhoff at least warned the team to not dismiss even this decimated Turkish team and play concentrated until the end, he even told that an eventual loss to such a Turkish team should not be considered a blamage. SPIEGEL also has a nice op-ed.

Still, I too exect a victory for Germany, even if I'll be rooting for the comeback kids.

But others told me, they were quite impressed.

Yes. Based on what I saw last time, Russia with self-confidence now regained and Arshavin playing should roll over Spain, not cancel each other out.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 05:36:01 AM EST
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You're not taking into account the self-confidence boost Spain have received from beating Italy, winning a penalty shootout and making it past the quarter-finals. Plus, they have casillas.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 05:39:38 AM EST
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Also, there is increasingly some bad air in the German team. Ballack vs Gomez vs VfB Stuttgart, critique on Podolski, Löw's conflicts with DFB. Stupid thing that all of this is allowed to come up now.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 05:41:55 AM EST
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Nice interview with Hamit Altintop, where he also discusses his split identity.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 12:46:46 PM EST
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I hope he is right, when he says,
"I would be very happy, when each fan would see the game on wednesday as a big celebration between the nations. Independent of the result the game is a big chance, to make a step to the always discussed integration."

The Turkish team has been great. After they won against Croatia, some of the players went to comfort the devastated Croatian players instead of going directly to their fans. But especially if the game is decided by a controversial referee decision, such a game could as well split instead of integrate.
Fair play on the part of all players will be very important (After in both teams already a player got a red card for assault - Schweinsteiger and Volkan).

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 03:49:25 PM EST
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some of the players went to comfort the devastated Croatian players instead of going directly to their fans

The Turkish team showed similar good heart in the Bronze match of the 2002 World Cup against South Korea. But then came the Switzerland-Turkey match... But now there seems to be a conscious effort to not let that happen again. Even after Volkan's assault - which wasn't brutal (allegedly he thought Koller is grabbing him and he wanted to force himself free), but I saw even Turkish fans in Hungary blamed his own stupidity instead of external circumstances.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 05:19:41 AM EST
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