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Sorry for the hasty reply above.  I enjoy these discussions, by the way, and do not see them as really adversarial but as opportunities to exchange views.

...the U.S behaves as though they are a nuisance to be kept away at all costs. To judge by reactions I hear in Europe, they are quite successful.

According to the ITA, Office of Travel and Tourism, over 5.8 million persons visited the US from the top 20 visiting countries during the first two months of 2008 alone. At least a million visitors came from Europe and another 2.5 million from Canada. Fifty million visited the US from the top 20 in 2000 and about the same in 2007. It would appear that the US isn't doing all that well if the intent is to discourage visitation.

When I mentioned policy changes in my comments above I was referring to expansion of the visa waiver program, which drops the requirement to obtain a US visa to enter the US.  This negates the need to visit a US consulate altogether.  I believe most, if not all European citizens qualify for this program. In addition, visa lines in many countries have been reduced by instituting a pre-visit appointment system to replace the old first come first served protocol that generated unbelievably long waiting lines in some countries.

In general, I don't see the restrictions on bringing the listed belongings along on a trip to the consulate as a particularly annoying issue, considering the improvements noted.  Yes, I suppose you are correct  in saying it is possible that they could be searched and allowed inside, but it would seem to be much easier just to not bring them in the first place. The less carry-on baggage I have to pass through airport security the quicker I get through and with much less hassle.  Unfortunately, I often carry a lot of photography gear which usually means my bag gets to go through the X-ray machine twice and then is hand searched and swabbed for explosives residue.  In the meantime I'm trying to get my shoes, belt, and watch off and on while I try to keep an eye on my belongings.  I actually feel bad about the time it takes me to get through and the time I am holding up other passengers. So, do I give up on photography (a US visit)?  Well, not yet.      

 

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 10:07:11 PM EST
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Given how much cheaper the U.S. has become, no change in the number of visitors reflects a general loss of interest in visiting. With the dollar worth so much less than in 2000, the number of visitors should be breaking all records. Of course, this is not just due to the consulate policies, but also to horror stories of treatment by immigration authorities, and so on.

pre-visit appointment system

A good idea in principle. In practice? Well, in Germany, it used to be (still is?) bookable only on a 900-equivalent number which left you on hold a long time. Maybe a good way for the State Department to make money, but not a good way to make the U.S. popular...

Yes, I suppose you are correct  in saying it is possible that they could be searched and allowed inside, but it would seem to be much easier just to not bring them in the first place.

If you're coming by train from the other end of the country,  you're supposed to bring nothing with you? Regardless of how many people visit the consulate, if they can handle those people once inside, they should be able to do a security check as well. Unless processing the application is significantly shorter than the security check, in which case one wonders why they have to come to the consulate at all.

Probably my last word on the matter, as I'll have limited internet access for the next week.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 01:07:29 AM EST
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Good points all. I live in Mexico part of the year and the nearest US consulates are 350 to 500 miles away.  The average Mexican seeking a visa really has to plan ahead, but I don't hear complaints from relatives anymore even those seeking visas in Mexico City where the lines used to be horrendous.


I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 11:49:19 AM EST
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It's really ironic: after describing the problems of not having a bag check, I just realized that I may have exactly the same problem to deal with, if I visit the French Embassy in Rome in October...

I should mention that, apart from the problems for me, there is no similarity between the two situations. This is the Embassy, not the Consulate. They let a small number of people visit the building, if you beg nicely a reasonable amount of time in advance (I don't know yet if I'll know the exact time I can visit far enough in advance). Since it's free anyway, I shouldn't complain too much, but I'll probably have to find a hotel between it and the train station.

I'm in a hotel with free WiFi, contrary to what I expected. But I doubt it will happen again tomorrow...

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 04:20:47 PM EST
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I don't know how easy it would be to visit the American Embassy in Rome these  days, but it would be well worthwhile if one could arrange it. Visitors to the chancery vs. consulate can bring their bags in after security checks.

The US Embassy in Rome is housed in the Palace Margarita (sorry about the non- Italian spelling), and the place is a museum with its own appointed curator.  Supposedly the Palace is situated on the site of a country villa where Julius Caesar took Cleopatra.  

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 10:29:35 PM EST
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