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While the media used to be independent,

Uh, what?

Moving on, this entire thread is like a giant exercise in the third-person effect.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 05:26:17 AM EST
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A meta-analysis of the perceptual hypothesis estimated the overall effect size to be large (r=.50) and stronger among college students (Paul, Salwen & Dupagne, 2000). A number of scholars have speculated that "experts" are particularly likely to overemphasize the effects of the media on others (Diamond, 1978).
heh

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 05:29:15 AM EST
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Or underestimate the effect on themselves.

Humans are so broken.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 05:31:06 AM EST
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As I'm sure we all know (being smarter than the average) the name for someone with a more realistic view of their place in the world than is usual is "clinical depressive".
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 05:36:31 AM EST
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Either way I read those comments, they sound cold, self-validating, or street diagnosing.  

For some of us, mere humans, it´s hard to get the sarcasm. >-:

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 12:31:33 PM EST
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Sure, Nixon's impeachment wasn't influenced by media air cover.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 06:48:12 PM EST
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Are you joking?
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 07:08:10 PM EST
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by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 07:22:29 PM EST
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Sigh.  Read this.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 07:27:09 PM EST
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You're not seriously trying to argue that the media gave Nixon a pass?

Because if so, that's going to make you nearly unique.

Compare with a typical episode of the Scotty show - you're really saying there's no difference between then and now?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 07:39:15 PM EST
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Did you read the article I linked to?
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 07:42:00 PM EST
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Try this.

Note - not an op ed.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 09:03:51 PM EST
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Um, why do you keep talking about Watergate?  I'm really getting at something much bigger than that.  Seriously.  Read the article, not just the two paragraphs about Watergate in a 13-page essay.

But since you insist, Watergate was the work of two metro reporters whose own editors (some of them) at times thought they were insane.  The rest of the national press, for the most part, ignored it, at least until after the 1972 election.  The Watergate break-in was five months before the  election, which Nixon won with about 60 percent of the vote.

Washington Post, page A01, October 2, 1971, three weeks before Election Day:

FBI agents have established that the Watergate bugging incident stemmed from a massive campaign of political spying and sabotage conducted on behalf of President Nixon's re-election and directed by officials of the White House and the Committee for the Re-election of the President.

The activities, according to information in FBI and Department of Justice files, were aimed at all the major Democratic presidential contenders and -- since 1971 -- represented a basic strategy of the Nixon re-election effort.

Law enforcement sources said that probably the best example of the sabotage was the fabrication by a White House aide -- of a celebrated letter to the editor alleging that Sen. Edmund S. Muskie (D-Maine) condoned a racial slur on Americans of French-Canadian descent as "Canucks."

The letter was published in the Manchester Union Leader Feb 24, less than two weeks before the New Hampshire primary. It in part triggered Muskie's politically damaging "crying speech" in front of the newspaper's office.

Roundly ignored by the majority of the national press.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 04:27:56 AM EST
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I vividly recall reading of the Daniel Ellsberg/Pentagon Papers incident and of the Watergate Break-in and what followed in the fall and summer of 1972, before the 1972 election in November.  I had little doubt that these events were orchestrated by the Nixon administration, but, to my horror, they were reported and then dropped from view.  I believed at the time that the "media" were too timid to vigorously follow up during the closing months of the election.  

The Democrats were hapless when it came to exploiting these revelations prior to the election and McGovern was defeated in a tsunami.  Fortunately the Democrats did not loose the House.  It was only after Nixon's inauguration that the real investigation began.  

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 01:17:57 AM EST
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The irony of calling his reelection committee CREEP is too much.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 01:39:36 AM EST
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