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Pure technological progress, rather, proceeds in waves.  
and ends (if all goes well) in long plateaus.
In other words, technological evolution is a punctuated equilibrium process. Stuart Kauffman describes a sensible model of it in the last chapter of At Home in the Universe.
So I strongly disagree regarding a new economic model that does not have growth as one of its normal states.

Okay, you can disagree.  But aside from oscillations about a mean, I am sure that growth cannot be a normal state:  It can be a temporary transient state.

The problem is that, when growth takes place over several generations, it produces a cultural change.

My own pet theory is that after the collapse of the 14th century, Europe experienced a century of sustained growth. Also, because the crisis of the 14th century was so devastating it made cultural norms vulnerable to questioning and substitution and in particular the moral reservations about usury were replaced with tolerance for charging interest which is a key part of modern financial capitalism. Growth makes compound interest possible, but after 100-150 years people reverse the causal chain in their heads and come to think that interest is what makes growth possible.

What we have here is an example of cultural and economic adaptive radiation following an extinction event  (to use a biological metaphor).

I have developed these themes before in comment threads here, here and here.

The technical advances we have seen over the last century and a half have been as much a function of cheap energy as SUVs and McMansions.  Like the latter, they will mostly fall apart fairly quickly when energy becomes expensive.
In many cases that is a reversal of causation, as what cheap energy made possible is the spread of the technology, not its development. We had metallurgy, chemistry, and even electrical engineering before we had plentiful oil.
Navigating collapse is totally outside our current models.  Steady state economies can be imagined, but only achieved AFTER collapse has been navigated.  Which is unlikely, and why the most likely scenerio is a sort of free-fall:  Whatever happens will happen with little mitigation.  It is like a drug addict's final binge.
If you can imagine you can chart a course to get there with minimal pain. The problem is ultimately political, not one of "models".


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 04:23:41 AM EST
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Interest and international trade started in the 1200's (the fairs of Champagne) with the trade between the Netherlands and Italy, actually...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 06:59:53 AM EST
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Yes, the new model existed before, but it could only take over because of the opening provided by the collapse. Just like rodents coexisted with dinosaurs for millions of years but only took over 65Myr ago.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 07:11:59 AM EST
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Well, I'm not sure "growth" as a concept was part of many people's understanding of the world during the 16th century. People noticed the peasants were becoming numerous, but that's about all. I think the rise of capitalism, the development of interest, and the capital accumulation, happened because of the rise of overseas trade, an activity that had always been financed by interest on capital.

I'll have to reread Braudel...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 07:31:08 AM EST
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No, "growth results from interest" is what people in the 18th and 19th century conceptualised looking back on the previous few hundred years. As opposed to "growth is required to make interest sustainable".

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 07:33:37 AM EST
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From where we stand, we neither know which direction our destination lies nor what our destination looks like.

So rather than course charting, what we can do is to plant seeds of new systems that offer the prospect of being compatible with sustainability ... those that took root and became part of a sustainable system were the right seed, but the information required to select with any precision will only be created in the course of events, and so is not available to us now.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 07:04:21 AM EST
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So then you
So rather than course charting, what we can do is to plant seeds of new systems that offer the prospect of being compatible with sustainability ... those that took root and became part of a sustainable system were the right seed, but the information required to select with any precision will only be created in the course of events, and so is not available to us now.
agree with Gaianne's conclusion
That does not mean I advocate doing nothing.  I am looking for things that are robust--that that will hold up against a great deal of mischief.  There is no theory for this, though I do suspect those who recommend imitating the natural world closely have the right idea.  
even if you disagree with her analysis...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 07:07:25 AM EST
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I don't think we can know what will prove to be robust and what will not ... but the strategy of seeding as great a variety as we can as widely as we can is itself a robust strategy.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 02:23:39 PM EST
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The Fates are kind.
by Gaianne on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 04:48:42 PM EST
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