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... waves. Its not a mechanical process with equilibrium at the end, its an exploration of a newly opened terrain in the space of technological possibilities.

The technical advances we have seen over the last century and a half have been as much a function of cheap energy as SUVs and McMansions.

This process antedates the fossil fuel are by a wide margin ... obviously when cheap fossil fuel energy was available, that was a technological space that was going to be explored sooner or later, but I don't see the anchoring in reality for the notion that fossil fuels were a requirement for technological progress, rather than the channel that technological progress has been taking most recently.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 06:57:58 AM EST
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I think it's more that economic growth has been channelled into following a technological path since the Enlightenment.

Before that growth was defined by physical empire building and slavery.

When most of the world had been claimed and fossil power came to be cheaper and less trouble than slave power, growth switched towards better tools, and a culture of tool building.

However you slice it, our current beliefs about technology are underwritten by access to cheap energy. Without that, not only does the technology stop working, but new technologies stop being developed.

Moving to a steady state culture doesn't just mean a change in practice, it means a change in metaphor. Expansion seems to be built into culture - it's not just a Western ideal, it happens everywhere the environment doesn't already offer an easy overabundance of food.

So youy can't take existing Western culture and make it sustainable without some serious cultural dislocations of expectation and morality - to the extent where it's unlikely to look like anything we're familiar with now.

It's not just about persuading people to grow their own food and stop using oil, it's about persuading them to change their minds about what's possible, what kinds of behaviour are acceptable and what kinds of stories they should be telling themselves about themselves and the world.

This won't be as easy as it sounds.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 07:55:09 AM EST
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However, there are arguments that technological progress has been proceeding at an exponential rate for the last five millenia, at least, which puts into question the Eurocentric approach of dating "growth base on technological progress" to the point when technological progress at the semi-periphery shifted to focus on Europe.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 02:26:10 PM EST
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