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And money continues to move into the energy futures markets.  It is hard to believe that this large increase in money, even from pension funds, is bringing the price of oil down. More dollars chasing the same amount of oil futures. Repeal of the "Enron exemption" and a significant tightening of margin requirements by the SEC would show what effect these investment flows have had.  Don't hold you breath.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 08:47:02 PM EST
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And money continues to move into the energy futures markets.

I'm not in the 'speculation is a major component of the price rise' camp, but a little here and a little there and pretty soon the billions are noticable.

Granted, this is a number for all commodities, but I can't find the breakout for oil alone.

In the last five years, investments in index funds tied to commodities grew to US$260 billion from US$13 billion.
Pension funds deny speculation on oil

This one is more to the point - that there is serious money taking a bit of profit here and there, as contracts open and close, money that wasn't in the market several years ago, money that is influencing the game through loopholes similar to those that sucked billions from the pockets of California electricity rate payers. The pension companies, in other documents (in the same article above) say that they only have 2-4 % of their assets in this kind of speculation and that the return goes to the little guy's retirement funds. [Tobacco, Blood Diamonds, War Toys profits - where was it that I heard these arguments before?]

Energy Speculation Causes Fuel Price Inflation
June 22, 2008 | Progressive Democrats of America [does this include North and South, one wonders?-ed]

Commodity Index Investment vs. Spot Prices

In the popular press the explanation given most often for rising oil prices is the increased demand for oil from China. According to the DOE, annual Chinese demand for petroleum has increased over the last five years from 1.88 billion barrels to 2.8 billion barrels, an increase of 920 million barrels. Over the same five-year period, Index Speculators demand for petroleum futures has increased by 848 million barrels. The increase in demand from Index Speculators is almost equal to the increase in demand from China!

Commodity Index Purchases Last 5 Years

Index Speculators have now stockpiled, via the futures market, the equivalent of 1.1 billion barrels of petroleum, effectively adding eight times as much oil to their own stockpile as the United States has added to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve over the last five years.

Index Speculator Demand Characteristics

Demand for futures contracts can only come from two sources: Physical Commodity Consumers and Speculators. Speculators include the Traditional Speculators who have always existed in the market, as well as Index Speculators. Five years ago, Index Speculators were a tiny fraction of the commodities futures markets. Today, in many commodities futures markets, they are the single largest force. The huge growth in their demand has gone virtually undetected by classically-trained economists who almost never analyze demand in futures markets.

Index Speculator demand is distinctly different from Traditional Speculator demand; it arises purely from portfolio allocation decisions. When an Institutional Investor decides to allocate 2% to commodities futures, for example, they come to the market with a set amount of money. They are not concerned with the price per unit; they will buy as many futures contracts as they need, at whatever price is necessary, until all of their money has been "put to work." Their insensitivity to price multiplies their impact on commodity markets.




Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Sun Jul 13th, 2008 at 05:09:16 AM EST
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To equate demand for financial bets on commodities with demand for the commodity itself is a fundamental misconception of how these markets work.

If there is a problem in the oil market - and I for one would not rule it out - it certainly does not manifest itself on the futures market, which is the market tail, not the dog.

This snippet from a recent Henry Liu piece is getting to the heart of it, I think

But now... oil in the ground can be more valuable than oil above ground because
it can serve as a monetizable asset of rising value through asset-backed securities (ABS)
in the wild, wild world of structured finance (derivatives).

So while there is incentive to find more oil reserves to enlarge the asset base, there is
little incentive to pump it out of the ground merely to keep prices low...

If there is a bubble it has been created through the relationship between oil producers and investment bankers.

To the extent that speculative money has made geared forward purchases of oil then the market is exposed to  a rapid downturn.

I have been invited to give evidence to the UK Parliament's Treasury Select Committee next Tuesday (15th) morning (09.45 hrs), alongside a couple of academics (one is Leo Drollas, an oil specialist) and the chief Shell economist.

As far as I know, I'm the only one of the four whose core competence is market regulation.

I guess our role is to give the Committee the ammunition to then ask pertinent questions of the people from ICE Futures Europe (formerly known as IPE, and of which I was once Director of Compliance and Market Supervision), and a couple of people from the FSA.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Jul 13th, 2008 at 05:40:04 AM EST
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Desperate times when they ask someone who actually knows something about the problem.  Is Leo Drollas a willing participant?  Shell vs. BP?

To the extent that speculative money has made geared forward purchases of oil then the market is exposed to  a rapid downturn.

This is another reason for concern about pension fund investment in commodities futures.  Yet I have been reading about it in Barons and elsewhere for five or six months.  I worry that this is partly pressure to show returns on the portfolio.  But even if it is a good bet, it seems to be a bad idea from a regulatory policy viewpoint.

I don't believe that speculation is driving the overall trend in prices, but I don't see how it can help.  I seriously doubt it would be happening absent a perception of a long term shortfall.  A put is a relatively cheap "investment."  Managers who know what their doing, (NOT ME), may have  already made more money on volatility they would lose by having to sell their puts or let them expire unexercised.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 13th, 2008 at 11:47:02 AM EST
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A put is a relatively cheap "investment."

Should be "puts and calls" are..

My mind is stuck on puts and "leaps" because of the condition of the stock market, but fear freezes action.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 13th, 2008 at 12:15:57 PM EST
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To equate demand for financial bets on commodities with demand for the commodity itself is a fundamental misconception of how these markets work.

This is really a key point that's been completely ignored in the press, with the exception of Krugman, ever since the "Speculators R Da Devil" horseshit started pouring in.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Jul 14th, 2008 at 03:58:28 AM EST
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... spot market, then its just a small impact to the degree that real buyers have hedged in forward markets.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Jul 13th, 2008 at 06:07:01 PM EST
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