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To equate demand for financial bets on commodities with demand for the commodity itself is a fundamental misconception of how these markets work.

If there is a problem in the oil market - and I for one would not rule it out - it certainly does not manifest itself on the futures market, which is the market tail, not the dog.

This snippet from a recent Henry Liu piece is getting to the heart of it, I think

But now... oil in the ground can be more valuable than oil above ground because
it can serve as a monetizable asset of rising value through asset-backed securities (ABS)
in the wild, wild world of structured finance (derivatives).

So while there is incentive to find more oil reserves to enlarge the asset base, there is
little incentive to pump it out of the ground merely to keep prices low...

If there is a bubble it has been created through the relationship between oil producers and investment bankers.

To the extent that speculative money has made geared forward purchases of oil then the market is exposed to  a rapid downturn.

I have been invited to give evidence to the UK Parliament's Treasury Select Committee next Tuesday (15th) morning (09.45 hrs), alongside a couple of academics (one is Leo Drollas, an oil specialist) and the chief Shell economist.

As far as I know, I'm the only one of the four whose core competence is market regulation.

I guess our role is to give the Committee the ammunition to then ask pertinent questions of the people from ICE Futures Europe (formerly known as IPE, and of which I was once Director of Compliance and Market Supervision), and a couple of people from the FSA.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Jul 13th, 2008 at 05:40:04 AM EST
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Desperate times when they ask someone who actually knows something about the problem.  Is Leo Drollas a willing participant?  Shell vs. BP?

To the extent that speculative money has made geared forward purchases of oil then the market is exposed to  a rapid downturn.

This is another reason for concern about pension fund investment in commodities futures.  Yet I have been reading about it in Barons and elsewhere for five or six months.  I worry that this is partly pressure to show returns on the portfolio.  But even if it is a good bet, it seems to be a bad idea from a regulatory policy viewpoint.

I don't believe that speculation is driving the overall trend in prices, but I don't see how it can help.  I seriously doubt it would be happening absent a perception of a long term shortfall.  A put is a relatively cheap "investment."  Managers who know what their doing, (NOT ME), may have  already made more money on volatility they would lose by having to sell their puts or let them expire unexercised.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 13th, 2008 at 11:47:02 AM EST
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A put is a relatively cheap "investment."

Should be "puts and calls" are..

My mind is stuck on puts and "leaps" because of the condition of the stock market, but fear freezes action.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 13th, 2008 at 12:15:57 PM EST
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To equate demand for financial bets on commodities with demand for the commodity itself is a fundamental misconception of how these markets work.

This is really a key point that's been completely ignored in the press, with the exception of Krugman, ever since the "Speculators R Da Devil" horseshit started pouring in.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Jul 14th, 2008 at 03:58:28 AM EST
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