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It was allegedly a clever move to pre-empt a newspaper disclosure.

Maybe...
But was it really needed?
I don´t see that it hurt Westerwelle (leader of the liberal FDP party) and von Beust (conservative CDU mayor of Hamburg).
In my opinion it looked more like political advertising.

by Detlef (Detlef1961_at_yahoo_dot_de) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:12:34 AM EST
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Well, but the revelations about both Westerwelle and von Beust came after Wowi's self-outing, and I do think that the presence and acceptance of the first openly gay major politician 'prepared the ground' for the public reaction on the latter two.

But, was it political advertising? Definitely. Pre-empting the disclosure while turning it into one's advantage - hence, clever. Then again, I think it wouldn't have had the effect without "Das ist auch gut so", which seemed spontaneous.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 04:54:41 PM EST
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Already read you comments farther down.

So in short, as a German I was puzzled by his "Das ist auch gut so" remark.

What do I care about his private life? His sexual orientation is neither an advantage or disadvantage.
Either he is competent or not.

Trying to market his sexual orientation as a political advantage did insult me a bit. Why in the world would his being gay make him a superior mayor of Berlin?
"Das ist auch gut so"
Being a former POW doesn´t make McCain the best Presidential candidate. Likewise being gay - on its own - didn´t make Wowereit the best candidate for mayor in Berlin.

by Detlef (Detlef1961_at_yahoo_dot_de) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 04:59:36 PM EST
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What do I care about his private life?

You don't, I don't - but conservatives do, media does, the Church does. See the Berliner Morgenpost article I linked downthread -- he was pursued by the media before, and attacked by a bishop and receiving hate mail afterwards (not to mention the East German local politician who spoke about the Nazi death camps). That you are now in the position to not care about von Beust's and Westerwelle's private life (as in: it won't influence their political fortunes) is a result of how Wowereit's coming-out was taken.

Why in the world would his being gay make him a superior mayor of Berlin?

I agree (with the minor difference that I see the marketing kicking off only after they saw the majority positive reaction).

My position may not be clear to you from my top-level comment, so a little more explicit. I would site myself on the hard-left, in German politics somewhere between the Fundi Greens and the Left Party, so "in Schröder's Third Wayist direction" is not exactly an endorsement from me. Media politics and celebrity politics is another thing shared with Schröder (who for example made use of public appearances of his fourth wife in First-Lady style). As for his real political achievements, again, a "not-at-all hard-leftist austerity programme" and making the Left Party bear all the risk for the latter aren't exactly endorsements from my quarter.

That said, I'm still conflicted. There's that I see more significance to Wowi's coming-out than you do, and I believe he has the potential for a better chancellor than Schröder, who, despite his record, might be more progressive (because of being less beholden to some old allegiances than his North/Western German counterparts).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:34:47 AM EST
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FDP and CDU isn't in the SpringerPresse crosshair.

I don't know how much BildZeitung has civilised since they got Rudi Dutschke killed, but if I had to bet money I'd say "not much."

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:03:46 PM EST
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I checked the backstory again, and found a good long article in the Berliner Morgenpost.

The outing by the media actually preceded the self-outing, and came from an entirely different direction: it was a stupid (and later excused) indiscretion of the leader of the Berlin SPD's gay-lesbian wing towards gay-lesbian media, from which the Frankfurter Rundschau picked up the news and printed it one Saturday. However, that same article also claimed that the SPD suspected the CDU plans a negative campaign over Wowi's homosexuality.

Now the fun thing is that while the Springer media are the same jackals as in Dutschke's time (more recently, they used the beat-up in the Munich subway for some anti-Turkish-immigrants sedition), they made money out of Wowereit's coming-out by being sympathetic.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:41:41 PM EST
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Just to mention it, attacking a politician on his or her private life isn´t that common or popular in Germany.

You´ve got Brandt, Schroeder, Fischer or Wulff as examples. Trying to use the private life of a politician against him always involves the risk of a back-lash.
That´s why most media won´t use that knowledge.

What do I care about their private life?
Are they competent or not?

Also, consider the case of Ole von Beust. Conservative CDU politician. As far as I can make it out, his father outed him unintentionally in an interview. Just like Wowereit according to your search. :)
And his popularity soared after he fired Schill allegedly trying to blackmail him.

And to say the truth if I didn´t follow the news seriously I doubt that I would know that von Beust or Westerwelle are gay. It´s just not a page 1 story.
Different to Wowereit, I admit. But only because of his "Und das is gut so" comment.

by Detlef (Detlef1961_at_yahoo_dot_de) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:29:23 PM EST
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Also, consider the case of Ole von Beust. Conservative CDU politician. As far as I can make it out, his father outed him unintentionally in an interview. Just like Wowereit according to your search. :)
And his popularity soared after he fired Schill allegedly trying to blackmail him.

I checked, the order of events was the opposite. First von Beust announced Schill's attempted blackmail, denying corruption (e.g. Schill's claim that he gave a job to his alleged partner in life just like Schill did) but not confirming or denying his relationship (which I consider an even more clever publicity move than Wowereit's); the unapproved outing by the father (in this Die Welt article) came two weeks later - and all of this was two years after Wowereit's self-outing.

Now, speaking of the CDU and gays, von Beust is one example, Anette Schavan another - there is a reason she felt the need to deny the rumours (her voters); and despite all the denials from his camp, the lesbian rumours may well have tipped the balance towards Oettinger in 2004.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:30:23 AM EST
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There are two different situations. One is the election level. I don't think traditional conservatives would vote for a left candidate, because the conservative candidate is gay or lesbian. Indeed I think it is an advantage for any candidate to be homosexual, except the candidate is from 'Die Linke'. It is like moving left without really moving left on any issues. Merkel had as well an advantage because she was a woman in 2005 in the general election, because feminists have voted for her without agreeing with her on issues.

The other is an inner party decision. There a heterosexual candidate has clearly an advantage in conservative circles against a homosexual one. This was the case for Schavan.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:03:50 PM EST
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On the election level, not voting is a possibility (and protest vote for an also-ran party too).

Schavan's case is more complicated and mean in that she denied being homosexual, it was only rumours spread by some circles.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:41:37 PM EST
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I know it were just rumours. But if the rumours do damage, an outing of a candidate in the same situation would have been as well damaging.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:15:12 PM EST
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