Solidarity pact for the West? | 44 comments (44 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Solidarity pact for the West? (4.00 / 5)

if the subsidies to areas of the East are not maintained you will see ongoing migration of the young and economically active out of those areas

That train has already left the station, I'm afraid. From the German Statistical Office:

Die Binnenwanderungen sind im vereinigten Deutschland vor allem durch eine beständige Abwanderung aus den neuen in die alten Bundesländer geprägt. Im gesamten Zeitraum von 1991 bis 2005 haben per Saldo 949 000 Einwohner die neuen Länder in Richtung früheres Bundesgebiet verlassen (Nettoabwanderung). [...]		In unified Germany, internal migrations have been characterized primarily by continuing emigration from the new to the old federal states [i.e. from east to west -ed.]. In the entire period from 1991 to 2005, a net total of 949,000 inhabitants left the new states to move to the territory of former West Germany. [...]
Für die künftige Entwicklung wird angenommen, dass sich die Ost-West-Wanderung abschwächen wird: Die Nettoabwanderung aus den neuen in die alten Länder wird demnach von rund 49 000 im Jahr 2005 auf ca. 8 000 im Jahr 2020 zurückgehen. Hierfür spricht die Tatsache, dass die junge Bevölkerung, die besonders mobil ist, in den neuen Ländern zahlenmäßig stark abnehmen und somit das Abwanderungspotenzial reduziert wird.		With regard to future development, it is assumed that east-west migration will drop off: Net emigration from the new to the old federal states will thus decline from 49,000 per year in 2005 to approx. 8,000 in 2020. This is supported by the fact that the young populations, which is particularly mobile, will decline drastically in the new states, thus reducing the emigration potential.

(as pdf here)

In terms of developmental policy, Germany is rapidly reaching the point where East vs. West is no longer a useful distinction.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 07:25:55 AM EST
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Re: Solidarity pact for the West? (none / 1)

I would contend that many trains have already left the (Ossie) station. To me the policy question remains, do you want to encourage more to leave, faster? Or the opposite?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 08:08:54 AM EST
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I am still waiting (4.00 / 2)

for my permission slip to enter Uni Jena (seems more paperwork was lost, along with a newly hired professor, my Doktorvater calls the Dean's office the "black hole").

But if I am accepted, I will be moving to the east, and checking on the internet, it seems the cost of living is lower but at the same time Jena seems to be a thriving industrial center for high-tech optics and such as well as the famous university.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 10:22:30 AM EST
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Re: I am still waiting (4.00 / 4)

Hang in the JD. It's frustrating, I know.

By all accounts Jena is a kick-butt town. Zeiss Optics is one of the few DDR companies that wasn't looted during reunification. They managed to turn themselves around and now, along with the university, make Jena a true economic success story.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 10:55:41 AM EST
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Re: I am still waiting (4.00 / 2)

Jena is on the up and as AT notes, Zeiss-Jena is something special.

Hope the paperwork all works out for you soon!

Jena meetup?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 01:35:22 PM EST
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Re: I am still waiting (4.00 / 2)

Oh, I would love a meet up after I get there. There is also an infrequent Kossack who lives nearby, perhaps by another name here?

I am a humanities guy though, going there for medieval literature and a touch of Tolkien for my dissertation. Oh the irony, studying Anglo-Saxon in Jena. A new definition of the Anglo disease

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 01:41:30 PM EST
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Re: I am still waiting (4.00 / 2)

studying Anglo-Saxon in Jena. A new definition of the Anglo disease

LOL!

(Old English, all the same... ;))

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 03:54:26 PM EST
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good to see you again, dvx (4.00 / 4)

i have been wondering where you had disappeared to!

Cynicism is intellectual treason.

by marco on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 08:45:26 AM EST
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Re: good to see you again, dvx (4.00 / 4)

Thanks, marco! I guess I just fell off the blogwagon.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 09:42:08 AM EST
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Re: good to see you again, dvx (4.00 / 3)

we had been worried about you! Hope all is well and that you'll be around again.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 09:59:07 AM EST
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Re: good to see you again, dvx (4.00 / 4)

Thanks Jerome. I merely got sidetracked (city-level politics being one of the distractions), but I've missed the company here.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 12:24:56 PM EST
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Re: Solidarity pact for the West? (4.00 / 2)

Hi there, dvx!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 03:50:59 PM EST
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Re: Solidarity pact for the West? (4.00 / 2)

Hi stranger!!! good to see you back dvx. We have been wondering about you. Hope all is well?! :-)

by Fran on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 03:57:18 PM EST
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Re: Solidarity pact for the West? (4.00 / 2)

Hi Fran! Thanks, things are pretty good here, I just ran into some distractions (one of which I'll write up when I find the time:-)

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 02:59:31 AM EST
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Re: Solidarity pact for the West? (none / 1)

Good to read you!! How are you, dvx???

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 06:28:16 AM EST
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Re: Solidarity pact for the West? (none / 1)

metavision, hi!

I'm good, just wishing the the N. European summer was a summer. How are things in sunny Spain?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 09:30:19 AM EST
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Re: Solidarity pact for the West? (none / 0)

Well, bring yourselves over here. The 40ºC days are over and we are in the 25º ones, with no rain except in the north.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sat Aug 16th, 2008 at 05:43:18 PM EST
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