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[Apologies to Eurotribbers not really a 'Euro' topic, just intrastate regional debate - a very longstanding one]

Actually I'm not just including the grants, but rather all state government spending for example the 25% share of Medicaid, state agency spending etc. But sure, Albany gets a disproportionate amount - it's a capital with the jobs that go with it. As far as the other state revenue collected there - of course folks in upstate pay various taxes and fees, the point is that the state spends more there than it collects, while downstate it does the reverse. The problem with Take a look at that report I linked to.

Providence isn't Buffalo. A much smaller place, so the university matters more (a quarter million people at its peak vs. 600,000), plus it's located within a wealthy metropolitan area - a 45 min drive or an hour by commuter rail from Boston. And it's the state  capital, albeit of a rather small state.

We pay .54 per KwH.

You sure about that? I just looked at the National Grid page and they report significantly lower prices for residential customers than my ConEd bill ($0.045 for delivery charge, about another half cent in related fees, about $0.103 for the supply charge, plus taxes. By contrast my delivery and supply charges are $.077 and $.0138 respectively. About ten percent gets added on in various taxes and surcharges, and there's the fixed monthly service charge)

by MarekNYC on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 10:07:25 PM EST
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I screwed the KwH up. I was taking it from my bill and transposed the period on the delivery. My charges are lower than yours, .047 and .129. 11% surcharge, $17 monthly fee.

Regardless, this is the least of our energy concerns. It's just a quibble (though the ice boom is a very real problem for us, and it costs us big $$$). The main point is that the power authority gives free power away.

Your most important sentence in the previous post was chopped so I couldn't make heads of tails of what you were saying.

I've studied the ins and outs of this pretty thoroughly, and if I had a chance to vote tomorrow to be rid of Albany and downstate influence, I would vote YES. I'm certain that our high taxes and northeastern liberal orientation would remain up here, but the area would be transformed.

You say the state spends more up here than it collects but as I said, it does very little to stoke the economic engines here. In fact, it just hampers it with all sorts of obstacles. The capital region has received over a billion and a half in seeding for business in the last 5 years. Western NY has received less than $50 million. Bruno's area is now contributing to the state coffers.

Businesses here apply for energy grants all the time that would bring a lot of jobs. For instance, Toyota was interested in building a factory here (we were competing with S. Ontario and Alabama). Ultimately, Toyota went with Ontario, and the rejection of their cheap power bid was one of the main reasons why. Meanwhile, companies in the capital region are subsidized well beyond the value of each individual job.

I've talked to university presidents who scratch their heads at the backroom dealing and pork in this state, a state that sends taxpayer money to fund programs at private schools while it starves the state university. It's bizarre how parochial and cutthroat these guys are. If you were in a private room with people from the SUNY system (not SUNY central) you would hear them blasting the state gov't. In NYC, the SUNY system is considered the place for the not-so bright kids, since the private school mentality dominates. In other states, they readily understand that the state university system is the economic engine of the state. That's where the vast majority of the citizenry is educated, and where incubation for business occurs. So the U. Buffalo law school is in dire need of money, and instead the pols vote for taxpayer money to set up a school at St. John's Fischer. Bizarre. And meanwhile, the tuition is 1/3rd of that charged for public Ed in nearby states (Pennsylvania and Massachusetts).

by Upstate NY on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 11:14:19 PM EST
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The capital region is upstate, it's yours - I'll even throw in Shel Silver for free ;)
by MarekNYC on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 11:22:43 PM EST
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LOL, it used to be. It's been Bruno-ized. That train only takes 2 hours, my friend. Nice catnap for a downstater.
by Upstate NY on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 09:21:38 AM EST
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I just noticed you messed up the supply charges as well. Yours should be .138 and not .0138.

Remind me to never talk numbers and taxes and charges when they are measured in decimal points.

by Upstate NY on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 11:15:59 PM EST
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[Apologies to Eurotribbers not really a 'Euro' topic, just intrastate regional debate - a very longstanding one]

I found it interesting. Not sure I'm able to make heads or tails of the details, but interesting none the less. (Also a valuable reminder that The Big Neighbour To The West is not a monolithic entity.)

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 02:58:36 AM EST
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