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There is an argument, one I am not comfortable with, that it is in "Europe's" interest for McCain to win - thus keeping the Bush regime's economic, political, diplomatic and military US impoverishment process intact.  

The logic is  - the stupider the US Government - riven by internal dissension, driven by narrow special interests etc. - the more other powers - and even the EU will gain by comparison - especially if they are effectively led in terms of their own national interest - as Russia, China, India etc. seem to be now.

My major concern with that scenario is that:

  1. The US could behave even more irrationally in decline, and start an even worse Iraq type war with Iran or Russia -0 or possibly even a World War.

  2.  In the absence of very strong global governance and enforceable international law provisions (which the neo-cons have also done their best to destroy) such an emergent "multi-polar" political system will be as dangerous and unstable as that which existed prior to WW1.

  3.  I like most American's, even if many seem politically naive, and hate to see them and their country dragged through the mud.

Could they really elect McCain?

It's time I got out of this game....
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 07:14:58 AM EST
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Electing McCain is all too possible, especially with the effective use of NATIONAL SECURITY.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 10:18:28 AM EST
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And how, within the terms of the US political psyche, does provoking Russia and antagonising friends around the world improve US national security?

It's time I got out of this game....
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 10:35:20 AM EST
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It quite obviously doesn't.  Unfortunately NATIONAL SECURITY has little to do with national security.  While we calculate national security in terms of real assets, real threats and alliances, NATIONAL SECURITY is calculated in terms of the degree to which blind passion is aroused in the "minds" of the masses.  There is a threat to the troop!  All young males go running off towards the perceived threat vocalizing loudly. WHOO, WHOO WHOO!  The senior males hope to use this response to their advantage.  They usually succeed.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 12:11:55 PM EST
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This phenomenon was not unknown in Europe prior to WW2, in the Balkans, and in some third world countries.  How does it come to pass in the most advanced democracy in the world?

It's time I got out of this game....
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 01:14:57 PM EST
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At this point it's Europe and not the US which is closer to being the most advanced democracy in the world.

The last couple of election cycles in the US really haven't been anything special in US history. Vote stealing, gerrymandering, a jingoistic press and an electorate - or parts of same - with the cognitive skills of dead sheep have been standard issue in US politics since the end of the Civil War.

What changed - partly as a result of wishful thinking - was the realisation that better choices were possible. The earlier labour movements were powerful but reactive. The DFHs were proactive but not nearly as powerful. Even so - there was an understanding that a better reality was possible.

That's still around, but it's been marginalised as an extremist view in the US.

Given what's likely to happen next, I wouldn't be surprised if there were parts of the US where it's about to become mainstream again.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 01:44:04 PM EST
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...the most advanced democracy in the world.

How can this phrase be made to drip with sufficient irony, sarcasm and venom to convey the pathetic standard which it describes?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 02:36:10 PM EST
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I have a vivid mental image of a canned-food billboard ad with the line "contains the most advanced democracy in the world!"

What?? Why're you looking at me like that? It does sound like an empty slogan, and I've just been travelling for seven hours straight...

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 04:29:25 PM EST
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