Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.
Sorry for a quick post, don't have much time here in VA. But you seem to be confusing Europe with France and like minded countries. The Poles and the Balts are not about 'keeping Europe out' but rather for them a strong Atlanticist posture and rejection of any Russian rights in its neighbours are a sine qua non of Europe existing. As I've said before, from a Polish perspective Russia has as much right to object to US bases or NATO membership as Poland does to tell Russia to shutdown it's own bases in Russia, or to draw down its military. You need to make up your mind - is preventing Russian interference in its neighbours a legit objective as you say at one point, or is it not, as you say at another.

And to repeat myself some more. You can have a Europe independent of the US, you can have a good relationship with Russia, you can have a functioning EU. You can't have all three. Your policy means much closer security ties between Poland and the US, probably including Polish pressure for a large scale US military presence, a significant growth in Polish euroskepticism - hamstringing EU integration, and poorer relations between Poland and Russia.

All policies have costs, and those costs may or may not be worth it. What worries me is that you and most of the others here who share your views seem unwilling to try to grapple with those costs and risks of your preferred policies in any sort of serious fashion.

by MarekNYC on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 12:16:26 PM EST

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