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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 02:39:40 AM EST
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They have some nice pictures too.

by Fran on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:02:40 AM EST
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Oh how cool is that?!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:48:37 AM EST
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Just for fun...experts...how was this effect created?

by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:47:04 AM EST
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(Any tips for improvement welcome as usual, of course!)
by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:48:11 AM EST
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An arty blurry, colour filter on photoshop?  Or did you sneeze as you took the photo?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:49:14 AM EST
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Neither. :)
by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:50:14 AM EST
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Was it done at the time you took the shot or processed?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:59:29 AM EST
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At the time of the shot.
by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:05:44 AM EST
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Creative filter?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:13:04 AM EST
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I suppose you could say that.

Not a commercial one, though.

by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:26:30 AM EST
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Sweet wrapper?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:44:30 AM EST
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Great idea!  Not right, though...
by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:52:46 AM EST
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Then I'm out of ideas!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 08:21:12 AM EST
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You've narrowed the field immensely.

I'll leave it a bit and see if anyone else has any ideas.

by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 08:24:08 AM EST
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A random chunk of glass?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:22:28 PM EST
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I'm going to say yes to that!  :)

Do you have any sources of glass in mind?

by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:33:55 PM EST
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A bottle?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:46:44 PM EST
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Not a bottle.  But another common source.
by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:48:12 PM EST
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I'd say maybe glasses? Or a wonky window.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:53:16 PM EST
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Hooray!

It was taken through...a four hundred year old window.

:)

by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:56:11 PM EST
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Doh, too easy!

I had thought of this and dismissed it out of hand....

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:59:20 PM EST
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I'm a simple soul, gioele  :)
by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 02:03:19 PM EST
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Water on the uv filter?
by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:58:39 AM EST
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Another good guess.  But still no  :)
by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:29:04 PM EST
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OK,, then turning the camera rapidly one direction and then the other around the lens axis?
by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:04:53 PM EST
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Interesting idea.  No.......
by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:19:11 PM EST
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Through a hole in a piece of card stock? Like looking at a projection of an eclipse? Could that explain an in focus center and the diffuse edges?
by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:21:01 PM EST
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I don't know if it could or not.  Can anyone help out with that?

So, I'm sorry...still no...

by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:24:41 PM EST
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I have a lens baby that would give that kind of effect with a sweet spot that is in focus. But we've been told it isn't a commercial type thing that has created the effect...
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:28:34 PM EST
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I have a lens baby that would give that kind of effect

?

What's a lens baby. I'm assuming that is, that you didn't mean 'I have a lens, baby, that...' - that doesn't seem to be your commenting style.

by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:36:11 PM EST
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Love it when she calls me baby!  ;-)
by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:40:50 PM EST
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Luv ya, baby!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:45:45 PM EST
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;-)
by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 02:00:43 PM EST
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Yeah Baby!  It is one these.

It is a lens that you can bend around which gives a sweet spot with blurring around the edges.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:44:50 PM EST
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Does anyone know of any good links to colour theory for photography?  I'm finding it hard to pin down what is meant to be harmonious/complimentary/contrasting or what combinations equate to what.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 02:00:49 PM EST
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Primary colours are red, blue and yellow.
Secondary are orange, green and violet.

Complementary colours are opposite each other on the colour wheel eg Red and Green, Orange and Blue, Violet and Yellow.

Similar colours are near each other on the colour wheel eg yellow and orange, red and orange, blue and green.

Contrasting colours are a third apart on the colour wheel eg RYB, orange, green and violet.

Colour accents are when small bits of colour are used in a photo such as a small patch of red in a large area of green.

Anything to add to that?

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 03:35:56 PM EST
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It is as wide as it is deep. There are lots of theories that in one way are scientific - that we can know the frequency of photons hitting the retina, on the basis of the reflective nature of the atoms they bounce off. That is, nothing has a colour in fact, colour is perceptual. Colour is how your retinae (part of the your brain) have learned to interpret the different frequencies of photons hitting them.

And how you interpreted them is an accumulation of that very noisy synesthetic experience called learning.

But we can certainly  measure the photon frequency, scientifically. Just as we can measure the periodic nature of sound waves. or the temperature of objects touching nerve cells in the forearm. We can make broad empirical assumptions about how these metrics are understood in any brain. But they are only assumptions. We cannot see with the UV heavy sight of bees. We cannot see with the acuity of an eagle. And we certainly cannot see the same way bats see, though 'see' they do in the synesthetic sense...

Or then we see nothing, not even the measurements, because they are part of the same experiential process.

That is the great conundrum. What do we see that we can share?

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 03:57:20 PM EST
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I'm trying to do some homework.  I know what I like and what appeals to me in photos, colour wise.  But it doesn't easily match what the course materials say should work.  So I have given up and I'm just picking the combinations I like and seeing if I can squeeze them into some category or another.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 04:32:31 PM EST
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Funnily enough for a so-called documentary cinematographer, I agree with you. Being an artist is as much as discovering yourself, as about communicating. The problem always lies within the audiences!!!

When you are creating you use a lot of intuition - it feels right. There is no identifiable reason.

But the problem with audiences is that they think their job is to interpret the artist's message. The artist's intuition can never be explained, just as the 'sense' of the 'Point Man' in a vietnamese jungle could never be analyzed. The Point Man was the platoon guy who went first through the jungle on patrol. He could get shot first, but he could save his companions with an intuitive sense of an alien environment. To me, this is what an artist is.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 04:53:49 PM EST
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What I meant to add, was that the artists' 'intended' interpretation is just one of the possible meanings.

Any interpretation is valid.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 05:01:22 PM EST
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That's a topic for a whole other diary!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 05:48:57 PM EST
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That requires me to put on a very dusty cap Or deny that I ever wore that cap ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 06:00:04 PM EST
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But I will just add that I think a definition of art is just that - that it requires an onlooker to be in 'dialogue' with it. The principal dialogue is between the artist and own sense of self. Art is self-discovery. It is not about selling a message (even though most of the high priests would have you believe otherwise).

The observer's dialogue is with that sense of discovery, and, in doing so, discovering themselves, and the languages that they use to mould the reality around them into something they, as an individual, can deal with.

Great art imo - even the photographically figurative - is about the spaces between different ideas and different world views. These spaces are what the onlooker fills in - trying to connect up the pieces in a microcosmic logic.

To realise, as one does with the space between a joke and a punchline, that the pieces cannot be joined together in a logical way because there are two sets of meanings - two frames that will never fit together in a perfect world. That's why we laugh at a joke or ponder a painting or drift in and out of the images of poetry. We are happy to realise that we are imperfect - we've been 'fooled'. We live in an imperfect personal world and need to accept it as it is.

The old analogue sound recording process involved passing a tape across a magnet, or 'head'. In recording, the metal particles in the substrate of the tape were rearranged by the fluctuations in the magnetic field of the head caused by variations of the electricity supplied to the magnet. Playing back was the reversal of the process, with the arrangement of the metal particles disturbing the magnetic field in the head. In other words the head was needed to translate fields into arrangement and vice versa. This has always seemed to me to be symbolic of the 'old' art process - both for the artist and the onlooker.

The endless perfect replication of everything in digital format has changed all this. I am not sure what that will mean to our accommodation of sensory experience in the future. But it's doing something!

I have said too much <gets back in cage>

 

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 07:56:48 AM EST
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