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Blair, arguably, wasn't a Labour politician at all - more a centrist Social Democrat at best, and a closet Thatcherite at worst.
But your points don't mean that the population at large doesn't support the left. The media have always made it hard for left-ish narratives to win.
Sarkozy and Berlusconi would have struggled to win anything at all without direct media backing. Blair would probably have won a first term after too much Thatcherite sleaze, but might have had a harder time after that.
The situation throughout Europe has been that there has been no aggressive progressive movement with a strong and fresh message for at least thirty years. So progressives can only vote for a less bad option.
The media have always made it hard for left-ish narratives to win. This is simply wrong. The vast majority of journalists are left-of-center. A poll among journalists in Germany revealed only 8% would feel close to the CDU, less than to the greens. Left-ish narratives, which have clearly won the public are, that non-discrimination tops the freedom of contracting, that parents are incapable to educate their children (and therefore the gov can't wait until the age of 6 to grab the children), that the democratic right has supported the NAZIs more than the democratic left (far fetched, but arguably true, when it comes to the party elite, factually opposite to reality, when looking on voting paterns and milieaus).
Other leftish narratives didn't convince the public, despite the media pushed for it, e.g. that racism would only be a problem where natives mistreat people with migrational background, but not vice versa.
As you can only vote for a whole party, not for a single issue, lobbyists are the ones who matter more than the media. Politicians will then say, they are brave going against the mainstream doing the necessary things. Can you name one leftish idea, take Brtain, which has nothing to do with profits, which didn't make it at least to some degree into politics? Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den MenschenVolker Pispers
This is simply wrong.
I don't know enough about the German political scene, but the quotes that are posted here from Der Spiegel hardly seem like they're pushing the progressive envelope.
As for the UK, Italy and France, I'm not sure how you can say that I'm factually wrong. Berlusconi would be no one if he didn't own most of Italy's media, and Sarko's close friendship with French media leaders, complete with exotic upmarket holiday perks, is well known - as are Murdoch's deals with Blair.
It's only on blogs like ET that you'll find progressive talking points. Otherwise in the UK we have exactly one serious magazine with a progressive viewpoint, with a minimal readership, and two papers that are sort of centre left, sometimes.
The FT occasionally publishes a heretical talking pointm but the usual narrative from the 'serious' press is, and has always been, relentlessly right leaning. You only have to look at Justin Webb's BBC coverage of the US election to see that his idea of fair reporting is constant criticism of Obama.
Aa for Germany - I suspect a poll of publishers and editors, who define narratives, would show that their sympathies are far more right leaning than those of journalists who usually have to write what they're told to.
Martin:
Can you name one leftish idea, take Brtain, which has nothing to do with profits, which didn't make it at least to some degree into politics?
Historically or recently? Because currently all we have left are vestiges and shreds of the progressive changes of the post-war consensus - universal high quality free education is being replaced with corporate control of curricula, health care is heading in the same direction, infrastructure is mostly mismanaged by the private sector at vast public expense, tax rates place the burden of taxation on the poorest earners, tax avoidance by the rich is endemic, and the press collude to cover up the true state of things with scare stories about racism and missing blonde girls.
Is this what a progressive utopia looks like?
You don't need to 'own the media' completely - you just need to own enough of the main opinion forming channels to create an illusion of narrative consistency for the non-chattering population.
One of the reasons of the so far successful campaign against the Edvige police database was that the media echoed properly the citizens' voice. "Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
How much has their position shifted over the last forty years?
To what extent do they influence and define policy compared for the FT, the Econo and the WSJ? (Even in France.)
You can argue that the right wing of the PS is really center-right. However, you then also have to accept that the French electorate tilts sharply right and simply doesn't want left wing policies.
Libe aims for the right wing of the PS, nowadays (for example they were for the Yes in the Constitution referendum). This has changed in the last few years. They are anti-Sarkozy, but increasingly (Euro-)liberal in their economics commentary. They are center left at best, in their current incarnation.
As for the French electorate - the 2007 presidential election represents the French opinion badly, as on the left it was skewed by the need to have somebody from the left in the second round. In 2002, and in various regional elections, people calling themselves Communist gathered 15% of the vote, with other parts of the left, like the Greens, getting another 10%... And the right wing of the PS has pretty much joined Sarko. The PS has bee to the right of its electorate for quite some time. Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
Unless you think anything to the right of Olivier Besancenot does not belong to the Left... "Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
But it is true that left narratives can be found in Le Monde and Libération, although they are not necessarily prevalent. After all, Jérôme was published there... Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
Well... on one hand, despite what Martin says about different starting points, "left-of-center" doesn't necessarily mean "progressive" anymore in Germany either. On the other hand, SPIEGEL is historically more close to the liberal FDP, which historically swung between the centre-left and centre-right, so their neolib+neocon swing may not be representative of say state TV journalists. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Read ZEIT, try this. Of course in German. Why should a German newspaper have an English version? Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den MenschenVolker Pispers
Probably to focus the poll only on the economy department of a newspaper would already give you a more right wing result than including the feulliton and the klatsch section. But my impression is largely, that the narratives are taken from the politicians, less self created - and that there are little narratives around at all.
is being replaced with corporate control of curricula That seems to be for profit.
health care is heading in the same direction As well for profit?
infrastructure is mostly mismanaged by the private sector at vast public expense Seems somebody wanted to make profit with the initial privatisation.
tax rates place the burden of taxation on the poorest earners For profit - of those who pay the lobbyists, which not to tend to be the poor.
tax avoidance by the rich is endemic Never seen something that clearly done for profit.
the press collude to cover up the true state of things with scare stories about racism and missing blonde girls. Nobody told them, that the country is looted. That would be the job of the party head of the labour party. Hey, but after more than a decade of labour gov't it may fall back to himself negatively. Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den MenschenVolker Pispers
Do you have a quote/link?
I am rather sceptical that that was a truly representative poll. Also, "the media are full of liberals against us" is a rather universal conservative meme.
That meme is not without some basis in reality, as media people tend to be highly educated fellows who are less impressed by the traditionalist elements of conservative rhetoric. Then again, even in Germany, progressively from the seventies, "left-of-center" media people seem to be preferring the right (not center) of the SPD, and from 2002 on, one could speak of "Merkel Social Democrats" [in analogy with the 'Reagan Democrats' of the eighties] going over to the CDU in the media. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
But a poll of what they personally feel does not necessarily reveal much of what they convey. Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi
But there is as well public media, and e.g. the SPD owns some newspapers. Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den MenschenVolker Pispers
That meme is not without some basis in reality, as media people tend to be highly educated fellows who are less impressed by the traditionalist elements of conservative rhetoric. As people with higher income are more likely to vote for rightwing parties, I guess, this is as well true for more educated people.
So there are a lot of things.
What I'd be interested in is not the bare fact but details - e.g. how wide was the scope of the poll within the realm of journalism, was it a straw poll or scientific, who made it, when, framing of questions and such.
On some of your points:
You yourself contended that Merkel's current leftist economic policies (and perhaps foreign policy, too) run opposite to her and the CDU's 2005 campaign platform. (I could say her lust for power was so strong that she broke all her election promises to get into government in a Grand Coalition ;-) ) The media love for her dates from before the elections, and in fact, I even read some 'reformist' criticisms of her. She has broken most of her election promises, except the VAT increase, which was probably among the most important ones. But it is very clear, that the 2005 campaign platform was far away from the center of people's opinion. And of course there are people critisising Merkel for breaking her promises, e.g. Friedrich Merz and co.
RTL, Sat1 and Pro7 Thought we speak about serious journalism. Last time I viewed news on one of these channels, I couldn't detect that. I don't think these channels make people more conservative. I think these channels make people more unpolitical at all, which as it is 'Unterschichtenfernsehen' admittedly helps the right. Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den MenschenVolker Pispers
Does that bear the connotation (pretty strong in German) of being a consolidator of diverse streams from all parts of the population? (Where the suggestion is that minor parties represent specific minority layers of society.)
Thought we speak about serious journalism.
You didn't specify your poll of journalists was among "serious" journalists, so I didn't know we are speaking only about serious journalism :-) At the level of influencing people, the daily news half-hour of either channel compares to tagesschau and heute. But anyway, I could have named n-tv, too.
I think people can be made more unpolitical and conservative at the same time. At least on the economy, preaching consumerist individualism is a 'conservative' propaganda already. When things are dumbed down, and analysis is left away, what remains is often highly saturated spin. That's exactly what Berlusconi's channels are doing. (BTW, have you ever suffered channel-surfing in an Italian hotel? Worst the B effect produced the TV landscape in Europe, no contest.) IMHO RTL & co do the same, but much less overtly, much more subversively. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Familyism and local communityism are conservative, the atomisation of the society into individuums, which are only connected by the state, but not with each other, is something favoured by leftys. Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den MenschenVolker Pispers
Familyism and local communityism are conservative, the atomisation of the society into individuums, which are only connected by the state, but not with each other, is something favoured by leftys.
You have some very strange ideas about the Left, certainly as it works in the Anglo world.
Wasn't it Thatcher who said 'There's no such thing about society' and proceeded to act as if that were true?
Left wing discussions are filled with ideas of community and interpersonal responsibility.
How much time have you spent talking to real progressives?
When conservatives speak of community, in my observation, it's always in terms of hierarchy and submission. Be it family, state, nation, party, company, military. Consumerism might undermine 'family values', disturbing the 'moral conservatives', but at the same time, it also undermines the sense of solidarity and thus the support for policy proposals based on them and politicians running with those; and undermines the running and survival of authority-challenging communities like unions, parties, consumer groups and such. While Martin is speaking thinking of a political landscape where no major party politician dared to speak like Thatcher, a German conservative doesn't even have to be a Thatcherite/Reaganite/Anglo Disease worshipper to favor such an outcome. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Precisely. But why on Earth do you think that makes them left-of-center oriented? Bild is aimed at lower-class, less educated people too, and I hope even you won't take its support for Schröder as reason to call the flagship of the Axel Springer Verlag left-of-center. But obviously conservatives need to communicate towards lower-class people. Since universal suffrage was introduced, it's not enough for conservatives to get the majority of the feudal, clerical and moneyed wealthy people, so they have to get those less wealthy people. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
In other words, right wing parties in charge are not very likely to produce results with the RTL/Pro7/Sat1 viewers more money in the pocket - at least not in the short term - than left wing parties. So to win them, it doesn't make sense to focus them on the money in their pocket, but distract them with other issues, like telling the left parties are ammoral, or do not have the skills to run the gov't properly. Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den MenschenVolker Pispers
If Europe is as much owned by big corporations and Chicago school boys as the US, then of course using it as an example that different policy is possible for Americans is completely useless. So long live Milton Friedman, long live Dick Cheney, long live fox news, they are doing the only policy which ever proofed to work. Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den MenschenVolker Pispers
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