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Which is how Kissinger opens his book Diplomacy:


"...both the American and the European approaches to foreign policy were the products of their own unique circumstances. Americans inhabited a nearly empty continent shielded from predatory powers by two vast oceans and with weak countries as neighbors."

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"...European diplomacy had been forged on the school of hard knocks."

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"The nations of Europe did not choose the balance of power as the means for regulating their relations out of innate quarrlesomeness or an Old World love of intrigue...Europe was thrown into balance-of-power politics when its first choice, the medieval dream of universal empire, collapsed and a host of states of more or less equal strength arose from the ashes of that ancient aspiration."

To me, the spirit of American exceptionalism is evident in our insistence that democracy be the goal of every nation around the globe. That the nation which adopts democratic institutions has somehow "arrived," when what the US is much more comfortable with is a free market open to capital formation regardless of regime. (Think China, for instance.) I think I'm more comfortable with the vaguer notion of "self-determination," whatever peaceful, stable form or mechanism that might take. Be it clan, tribe, ethnic group, or religion, if the citizens regard their government as legitimate, that's basically ok by me - though I may have reservations over some local practices (like convicting the victim of rape, for instance, and sentencing her to be flogged, a la Saudi law).

The problems of equal opportunity, economic development, human rights, security, and the various freedoms to exercise are goals that can be sought with whatever mechanism of governance a particular state exercises at the moment. That they tend toward a democratic power structure is moot. Right now, it seems to me that democracy as a mechanism of governance is less of a holy grail than those conditions and rights themselves.

Anyways. Can you think offhand of any other developed nation as culturally isolated as the US? Russia, with its open borders and historical distrust of foreigners/invaders? China, the ancient Middle Kingdom and oldest of great civilizations? Japan, with its finely honed traditions of honor and fidelity? Any others?

See? Now you've gone and done it. You got me thinking, and the smoke's rising out of my ears. Maybe we're all exceptional. Maybe it's exceptional chauvinism that troubles me.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire

by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 01:11:09 AM EST
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Absolute sovereignty? So, no criticism of what the Bush government is doing except on pure pragmatic power politics principles? (i.e. that it is counterproductive to US interests) Nor do I really understand why convicting rape victims is beyond the pale by your understanding - why should it be an exception?
by MarekNYC on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 01:23:16 AM EST
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The problems of equal opportunity, economic development, human rights, security, and the various freedoms to exercise are goals that can be sought with whatever mechanism of governance a particular state exercises at the moment. That they tend toward a democratic power structure is moot. Right now, it seems to me that democracy as a mechanism of governance is less of a holy grail than those conditions and rights themselves.

I'm not prepared to give up on those liberties that I made certain I mentioned in the earlier comment, and as for sovereignty being absolute and the practice of international power politics, I'm not suggesting that either. As I study more, I come to appreciate the points of view of, say Russians, who've been cursed throughout their history with open borders over which were cultures who believed that raiding Russian settlements was a worthy career. It's not democracy per se, that I'm dissing here, but more American chauvinism about democratic institutions.

John Brady Kiesling, in his Diplomatic Lessons, goes into a little of the psychological basis of what constitutes the legitimacy of a government, as well as how many levels of identity a citizen can hold simultaneously. He's not the only person I've read who touches on this.

Like I said, it's a large subject, one that I'm just now trying to get my head around, and deserves larger treatment. That being said, I can only view American chauvinism with contempt, and now you know a little of where I'm coming from with this. When I mentioned American exceptionalism, I wasn't being clear enough. It's the chauvinism I object to.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire

by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 11:05:42 AM EST
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The US establishment uses 'Democracy' as a stand-in for 'American Business Interests.'

You can see how this works when the press sneers about 'populism' - which in most countries would be considered democratic, especially when there's a strong majority supporting it.

On ET we sometimes call US-style democracy Democracy™ to distinguish it from the real thing.

In practice, Democracy™ usually means fascist dictatorship.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 11:30:13 AM EST
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I don't think you have to ditch democracy outright. Only "Democracy": when American politicians say democracy, they mean US style democracy, with its specific institutions, traditions, and its heavy emphasis on the economy. Other countries can get democracy in other ways. And it should have domestic sources, simple telling them what to do is not democracy but playing (being forced to play) democracy.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 04:23:13 AM EST
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Just a comment, papicek.

Handing out "3's" is not really ET etiquette. It's either "4" if you approve, or "2" or less on the rare occasions we get trolls here.....

"3's" can be misunderstood, and I don't think nearlynormal regarded it as nearly normal... ;-)

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 09:59:47 PM EST
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thanks

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire
by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 05:48:41 PM EST
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