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another chunky piece of very interesting stuff. thank you.

Aside from the issues you highlighted about the fondness for hi-tech energy solutions of CCS & nuclear there was one thing that caught my eye and made me think. which was the development of a transport infrastructure not dependent upon oil. I'm assuming this may be the last knockings of the biofuel debate, or it could be taking int oaccount some of the more interesting  car solutions coming out of america (oddly).

But this is ET and I want to talk about railways. Overhead lines are expensive, the cost of the copper is becoming exorbitant and I'm beginning to suspect that it won't be considered affordable for any new developments other than hi-speed rail or heavily used mail lines. Which suggests to me the return of 3rd rail.

A 3rd rail system is substantially cheaper than overhead catenaries and much more easily maintained. Yes, there's a price to pay of the occasional child being fused to the tracks, but that's Darwin for you. So long as it's not a hi speed system (over 160 kph) it works perfectly well and could be rolled out quite easily. It's cheaper than diesels and, barring a revival of steam, is the best way forward out of oil dependency for mass transport

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 12:53:39 PM EST
As an urban solution I'm interested in the possibilities of

 Ultra Light Rail

particularly in the form of self-powered vehicles run on compressed natural gas and/or biomethane.

These have a couple of advantages over conventional trams:

(a) any roads used have to be reinforced either very little, or not at all - which cuts the cost, time and sheer disruption (as in Edinburgh now) of implementation dramatically;

(b) absence of electricity again cuts time and cost of implementation, and also reduces the energy wasted in converting carbon fuels to electricity and the transmission losses in getting electricity - however produced - to the trams.

However, ULRs are up against barriers to entry both from Heavy Rail requirements for robustness, and in the UK at least the Ministry for (Road) Transport, which prefers to fund guided bus lanes at a multiple of the cost of tracks.

This one in Cambridgeshire is a case in point

I confess it did strike me that there is no reason why rails couldn't have been laid in the concrete at the same time, and then the buses and ULR could both use it and may the best mode win......

Oh well, got to keep the bus shareholders happy I suppose.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:48:12 PM EST
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Helen and Chris,

There are many interesting options to explore and some of them being developed here in Europe. What I think we need is some sort of development and test environment where these "new" technologies could be tested in real life conditions and against each other, so as to understand the advantages/disadvantages of each. Maybe a program in a few cities where circulation of fossil fuel powered vehicles is abolished.

As you point, commuter traffic will likely move from individual to collective vehicles, mostly on rail. Still for inner-city freight and some jobs (e.g. mail distribution) self-powered, out-of-rail vehicles may still be required. On that chapter I'd like to point two technologies being developed in Europe:

Highly aerodynamic efficient, single passenger, human/electric powered:

Compressed air powered (still waiting for aerodynamic improvement):



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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 05:52:44 AM EST
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I did a bit of work with Hugo Spowers, the guy behind the

Hyrban

"Open Source car" initiative.

He's aiming to provide the cars as a service, rather than in a conventional transaction model, and that's one of the reasons why the entity he is using is Riversimple Limited Liability Partnership

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 07:52:16 AM EST
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We will pursue our purpose by working systematically towards the elimination of the environmental impact of personal mobility.

How is he going to do that using fossil based fuels is beyond me...

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 09:00:21 AM EST
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