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I think there is a difference between a bubble and a Ponzi scheme, although one may shade into the other.

The South Sea Bubble and the Tulip craze did attract more and more investors as time went on, but all bubbles do that as those on the sideline see fortunes being made and decide to participate.

The Ponzi Age was created by the government as it forced investments into the stock market by changes in tax policy regarding retirement funds. People did not just jump into the market because it was going up, but were pushed into it as their funds were forcibly shifted from defined benefit plans to defined contribution ones.

Similarly people were trapped into home refinancing by loans which were predicated on the idea that they would be refinanced in a few years or the house sold. Alan Greenspan gave elaborate pseudo-mathematical explanations for why variable rate mortgages were better for borrowers. Banks made it difficult for buyers to even get conventional mortgages, something which is overlooked by those who want to blame greedy buyers for the problems.

Then there were the succession of changes to laws regulating the finance sector including the repeal of the Glass-Steagall law which prohibited banks for fooling around in equities. Rules for reserve requirements, reporting and oversight were all changed.

Pension plans could use their reserves in their main line of business and/or defer actual contributions if assets were increasing in price. Contributing to a pension plan later instead of now is the number one no-no of prudent investing.

Entities which wanted to avoid these changes and behave sensibly were handicapped since their returns would not be as high and investors would go elsewhere. Such firms frequently saw proxy challenges and their boards replaced. New management would engage in leveraged buyouts or take them private thus extracting all the cash and replacing it with debt.

The only way an entire economy can turn into a Ponzi scheme is if the government encourages it. A bubble is just ordinary greed and the excitement of seeing prices go up. This is much bigger and more sinister.

While bubbles may never go away, state-sponsored Ponzi schemes don't have to exist if governments are actually under the control of the people.

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---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 09:00:50 AM EST
rdf:

A bubble is just ordinary greed and the excitement of seeing prices go up. This is much bigger and more sinister.

While bubbles may never go away, state-sponsored Ponzi schemes don't have to exist if governments are actually under the control of the people.

In most Bubbles, but not all - the Dot Com boom is an example - leverage or gearing provided by the deficit basis of "money as debt" is primarily responsible.

The deficit basis of our economy is a systemic issue, and my view is that - to turn the classic Bubble justification on it's head....

"This time it's Different".

This time the system is terminally fucked.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 09:14:46 AM EST
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I always enjoy your essays. You have a talent for articulating complex ideas and euphemism, in particular. You know with the business-end, so to speak, of language. Over all, I detect appropriate exasperation with the ethics of "wealth building" in the US but some confusion about method. When in doubt, construct a transaction model of one buyer, one seller.

I think there is a difference between a bubble and a Ponzi scheme, although one may shade into the other.

I think there is a difference. A "bubble" is a colloquial expression for price inflation. A price is synonomous with market value or fair value. Price inflation is a measure of what a buyer is willing to pay for a thing be it notional (e.g. a security) or tangible (e.g. real estate). A buyer may attribute all sorts of reasons to the cause of price inflation, depending on the quantity in question and the number of prospective agents involved in the exchange ("market"), but always because the buyer possess insufficient information to value a thing. A an auction exemplifies as well as a "peer-to-peer" dynamics of price movements and range of motives hidden by currency valuation (dollars, camels, females, children, etc).

Whether a buyer is able to pay is determined in the event of transaction. It's at that juncture economic institutions oblige, and may even assist, buyer and seller to settle the exchange as agreed. If either fails, he or she is liable to a legal challenge of fraud, a sort of breach in contract law. Everywhere.

"Greed" is a motive ascribed to fraud; it is the intent or compulsion to acquire more than one's "fair" (lawful) share. "Deregulation" is a euphemism for laissez faire jurisdiction and a failure to enforce lawfulness among obligators.

A "ponzi scheme" is a method to defraud a buyer. However the seller accomplishes the task, no transaction occurs; that is, the buyer does not receive the thing agreed to by the seller. Whether that thing is unearned income, profit, or wax candles is irrelevant. A "ponzi scheme" is differentiated from other methods because the seller represents him- or herself to the buyer as and assumes the fiduciary duties of the buyer's agent in an exchange with some third party. No stamps (Ponzi), no income or realizable appreciation* (Insull), no securities (Madoff) purchased.

Here is a curious idea: a security consultancy, I just found in a search.

You are quite correct, I think, to be wary of government strategies to mandate mass participation in capital markets that cannot and will not produce sufficient retirement income. "Easing" is inevitable.

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Insull's serial IPOs were funded largely by repo; he sold stock by mail during a "bubble" that "over-valued" what book value the utilities' established. Common shareholders expecting fixed income were wiped out in '29 by calls on the utilities' debt.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 11:59:29 AM EST
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