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But it IS, at heart, an economic problem rather than a racial one.

Don't you realize that the two are intrinsically linked?

Integration is working in France, even if it's not fashionable to say so, and even if there is a real problem of ghettoisation of a minority.

Just a hell of a lot slower than if the government and the elites felt that it wasn't somehow taboo to rely on anything else than the invisible hand.  I'll give you an example from the political realm: I've read that non-white socialists complain of two factors that prevent them from getting even a minute fraction of the power that their numbers would indicate. The first is that the leadership often worries that putting up a non-white candidate would reduce the party's vote share - something that racial gerrymandering works to counter in the US. The second is that the leaders tend to want to help their friends, and since social networks are definitely not perfectly racially integrated, and the folks at the top are white, that means that the whiteness of the existing power structure tends to replicate itself. Again, same problem in the US, but explicit ethno-racial political organizing works in the other direction.

It's not the French that have a neocon/neolib stance, it's the neocons/neolibs that have adopted the longstanding French position, which has worked to integrate every single wave of immigrants up to now.

ditto for America, in both cases we are talking white immigrants. But that's not what we're talking about here. You still haven't explained to me why it's wrong for the government to take an active role in ameliorating certain social inequalities, but not others.

by MarekNYC on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 07:05:11 PM EST
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well, the idea is that if you treat them as social inequalities (ie economic), you solve them irrespective of their proximate cause (ie recent immigration, or divorce, or poor educational background, etc...)

Affirmative action has other consequences. Gerrymandering creates rentes de situation and fractures society around community lines.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 05:37:59 AM EST
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