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Reagan was partly right saying: "Government is the problem."  This is certainly true when that government is run by Republicans.  We see the effectiveness of all of Paulson's brilliant management of the disposition of the first half of the TARP funds.  If the Obama Administration does not quickly jettison residual neo-lib economic dogma, they could turn out to be little better.  

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 11:46:18 PM EST
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Concerning your first sentence: "Reagan was partly right saying: 'Government is the problem.'"

Reagan was never right about anything, partially or otherwise. As detailed in Stockman's book, numbers were created out of thin air, then modified to comply with political dogma. Famously in one instance, a major component (defense spending increases, if I remember correctly) were multiplied by 4 just because Reagan misunderstood a number as being yearly, instead of the sum spread over the course of his first 4 year term, and no one wanted to call him on it.

In the course of it all, the interest on the debt alone rose to a yearly amount ($138 billion in 1987) greater than the original budgeted defense budget ($136 billion in 1980 - One has to qualify that, since there was so much off-budget...but I don't want to get into the whole Bush black-ops thing.)

My point is merely this. What we (USians) have had in the last 28 some years has not been government. It has been manipulation of assets for the monied class, it has been a continuous death-rattle reaction to the humiliation of losing an undeclared war in Viet Nam, and it has been hopefully the last desperate gasp grasp for riches by those who see that the arc of history is not going to go their way...but it hasn't been 'government'.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 10:12:04 AM EST
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Well, he was right in that the sort of people he appointed to office made certain that government was a problem.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 02:40:40 PM EST
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Very funny.

It is like saying that, given the root of the word 'govern' is Latin and Greek, 'to steer', that they did govern by steering us and our future into the rocks.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 03:50:28 PM EST
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It is funny, but it also was policy.  As to Ronnie, I have characterized the "Reagan Philosophy" as a Shoebox Full of Shibboleths.  This is based on Ronnie's habit from the time he was a G.E. spokesman of carrying around a shoebox full of Reader's Digest anecdotes and news clips from which he would construct speeches.  By dint of insufficiently challenged repetition this got elevated to the status of a political philosophy.  Sadly, this was the highest form of philosophy which he could grasp, which well suited him to his audience.  That made him a useful tool.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 04:59:46 PM EST
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they did govern by steering us and our future into the rocks.
And we applauded all the way, even after the ship hit the rocks.  Only now, with a new hurricane bearing down on the still stranded ship, is the applause starting to die down.  Most people still see no relation between Reagan's "government is the problem" and "let the fox guard the henhouse" approach and our current difficulties.  They are outraged at bankers using public monies to pay bonuses, but see this as some sort of aberration instead of recognizing it as an epiphany of the actual nature of the existing system.  These are the sort who "would hate to think" that that is how our system actually works.  

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 05:16:19 PM EST
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The weird thing is that generations will be paying for this, and complaining about what the liberals have done to their kids, romanticizing Uncle Ronnie all the way to their graves.

I can't talk about him anymore. It is not healthy.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 09:09:28 PM EST
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I am the eldest of three brothers.  My father died when I was 12.  I am 5&1/2 and 11 years older, respectively, than my brothers.  When the youngest was 22, in about 1977, all three were reasonable liberals.  By 1980 I was the only one who voted against RR.  It seemed as though an evil spell had been thrown over the world that even limited what basically good people, such as Clinton, could do.  I am not yet convinced that the spell is gone. Thirty years of bitter lessons.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 10:00:31 PM EST
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