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Re: 7 years for women , life for a man (none / 0)
the mother received support from "a Catholic right-wing organisation" when she got a High Court injunction in 2000 to stop the children from being placed in the care of relatives.

Oh, yuk. They just don't seem to learn do they ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 01:17:26 PM EST
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Re: 7 years for women , life for a man (none / 0)
we can't have the state violating the "sanctity of the family" now can we?

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 01:28:22 PM EST
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Surely 'A catholic right wing organisation' can be named in open court, then becomes a matter of public record, so no tiptoing around them is required.

So who are they?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 01:28:48 PM EST
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We'll have to wait for someone to name them under privilege in the Dail, I imagine.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 01:34:09 PM EST
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Re: 7 years for women , life for a man (none / 1)
Ah:

A childcare manager testified that he had been approached by a woman called Mína Bean Uí Chroibín who told him that the family needed support, not intrusive action.

Do you remember this woman?  I do.  Also known as Mina Cribben.  A screaming, fanatical Catholic nutcase who for decades has been trying to impose a demented Taliban society on us.  Remember SPUC, Family Solidarity and all the rest of them?  That was Mína, the mad old bat.(Bock the robber)

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 01:48:16 PM EST
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Vaguely remember seeing her 30 years ago holding up some placard or other. Sick.

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 01:56:09 PM EST
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That section of the story has now been removed by an updated story in the Irish times under the same link.  Presumably they are afraid of libel.

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 02:11:40 PM EST
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Re: 7 years for women , life for a man (4.00 / 3)
"a Catholic right-wing organisation"

I was under the impression the Church itself was a right-wing organization.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 01:32:50 PM EST
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The church has always claimed that child abuse was due to a few bad apples - nothing intrinsic to their theology and practice - e.g. subjugation of women, obsession with sexuality, obsession with child control, celibacy, condemnation of homosexuality, sexual repression in general etc.

Be interesting to compare child abuse patterns with non-catholic/christian socities

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 02:03:07 PM EST
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I was always told that as child abuse wasn't mentioned in the bible as a bad thing (in Leviticus it's almost compulsory) therefore, from a catholic point of view, it wasn't a big deal. So protecting such a thing wouldn't be a stretch, esepcially in the light of other events around the world.

And catholicism has always had an illusion of itself as being above temporal law and their priests were exempted from the laws of the land where they worked (this was the cause of the fatal schism between Henry II & Thomas a Beckett).

It's interesting that the church still felt it could ignore the law of the land and get away with it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 02:13:25 PM EST
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Is abortion mentioned in the bible? I'm not sure.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 02:20:32 PM EST
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Abortion comes under the Sixth Commandment (thou shalt not kill). Course we could note that the Bible seems pretty heavy on the murder, executions, genocide and general blooc-soaked mayhem, so I think that's a bit of a selective reading.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 02:26:26 PM EST
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Re: 7 years for women , life for a man (4.00 / 1)
That's the English translation. In modern Hebrew it means "thou shall not murder"; in the original Hebrew, who knows? My guess is something like "thou shall not commit manslaughter" which leaves genocide out, and isn't too clear on abortion. There was a detailed discussion recently in The Forward.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 02:37:17 PM EST
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Abortion comes under the Sixth Commandment

Yes, but I think the premise is Psalms 139:13.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 03:10:28 PM EST
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