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But our social institutions are ill-equipped for this task and much about them---such as the atomized television and internet culture of mass media---work more against the formation of such a new and unifying identity than in favour of it.  In any case, whatever it is, it must come about "organically" rather than by some "canned" and forced process which resembles a Madison Avenue advertising campaign.  It cannot be imposed, it has to be felt sincerely.   Thus, what's needed has to come about through a truly free and consensual set social processes.

If first causes are the aim-- a "felt sincerely"-- we're gonna have to wait a long time.
I've asked at least ten people here in France to help me understand the process whereby it became self-evident that health care is a human right, and the vast majority have only a sketchy notion. So it's almost inchoate.
Melancthon came closest with his excellent references, but the process whereby such consensus arises is tied deeply to a historical context, an educational process that is capable of producing readers who are also problem solvers, deep roots in a social history that not only allows protest and revolutionary behavior, but rationalizes the dialectic between mutuality-ccoperation, and individual analysis. We don't do that in North America.
My landlady once said the nemesis of France was a plague of meetings. What set her off was the building syndicate- the group of apartment owners who met several times a year to decide how to deal with mutual needs vis. thebuilding. Yet, the building was centuries old, and in prime shape.
We compete. We don't plan to stop. End of story.  

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Wed Oct 21st, 2009 at 02:31:34 PM EST
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 "I've asked at least ten people here in France to help me understand the process whereby it became self-evident that health care is a human right, and the vast majority have only a sketchy notion."

  That's a fascinating comment.  

  I think that there must surely be a very thorough body of academic work on the process of creating and transmitting phenomena that we're talking about here, social identities, national identities.  This surely involves much myth-making in it.  But the myths have to be sturdy enough to actually "do work", "carry a load" in a conceptual and imaginational sense.  When they no longer do that, when they fail, something quite vital is lost and that entails a real period of danger, of risk.  But these processes have been repeated over history.  The British weren't always British, the "Romans" weren't always an imperial power.  When they "became" these, they had to in some way fashion a sense of identity as being such, just as, before, during and after the American revolution, the colonists had to fashion one for a "people" (who before were "Virginians", or "Pennsylvanians," or "New Yorkers" but not "Americans of the United States of America" until later;  then, later, with Rome, when Rome fell, an identity had also to fall and be replaced by something else.  This will happen as a result of "facts on the ground."  But, I wonder if people who see that a former myth-set is no longer effective and a former identity-set no longer serves the social needs these mental constructions have to serve can in some way help the creation of a new conception.

  "We compete. We don't plan to stop. End of story."

  Nature and limits she carries inherently shall "stop us" "one way or another".  As the saying goes, "Things that can't go on forever don't."  So, "our plans" won't make a bit of difference to nature---and never did.  If we can't learn that lesson peacefully, it will be forced on us violently.  Of course, you know all that already, I'm just sayin'.

    Also, I'm more and more convinced that the perculiarly American version of the "Protestant Ethic", as well as B. Franklin's philosophy of thriftiness, so fiercely transmitted as a secular American religion throughout the social ranks---down, even, to today!, are, together, at or near the top of the worst social elements of American society, poisoning and infecting everything about the society as only the worst kind of cancer could do.  

  Our myths are exhausted, our identities no longer "work" and we are now as a society bewildered, trying to guess at what troubles beset us and coming up with little in constructive understanding.

"In such an environment it is not surprising that the ills of technology should seem curable only through the application of more technology..." John W Aldridge

by proximity1 on Wed Oct 21st, 2009 at 03:12:15 PM EST
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Our myths are exhausted, our identities no longer "work" and we are now as a society bewildered, trying to guess at what troubles beset us and coming up with little in constructive understanding.

To me that is a major opportunity: a vacuum to fill.

Our challenge is to create a new myth/narrative.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Oct 21st, 2009 at 04:44:41 PM EST
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Absolutely!

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Oct 21st, 2009 at 05:12:51 PM EST
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  yes, it is an opportunity--- or certainly could be seen as such.  But, if it's not recognized, not seized, then it's an opportunity missed.

 

"In such an environment it is not surprising that the ills of technology should seem curable only through the application of more technology..." John W Aldridge

by proximity1 on Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 at 09:21:39 AM EST
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  "If first causes are the aim-- a "felt sincerely"-- we're gonna have to wait a long time."

  I don't think that's necessarily true.  Conceptions of identity might usually, often, develop over a period of years and decades but I don't think that this is necessarily the case.  Actual events which are momentous enough to alter broad publics' ideas of themselves can occur and produce influences in much shorter stretches of time.

  E.g.:  A war is lost or won, a currency collapses, a heroic breakthrough in a long-standing problem of domestic or international affairs, the restoration of an institution--one formerly thought definitively lost, the restoration of rights and freedoms which had either been suppressed or rendered de facto "dead letter", these can, with relative alacrity, alter notions of group identity by infusing or inspiring renewed faith, self-esteem, mutual good regard among differing groups previously disaffected, etc.

    An important part of what's been so badly degraded in society are these very aspects of faith, self-esteem, mutual good regard among differing groups previously disaffected.  When the political institutions whose respectable and dependable  operation underpins a people's belief in their political system's integrity are degraded, the consequences can be serious loss of faith, etc.  Conversely, the restoration of these same can contribute to a renewed or improved belief in one's political system and, by extension, a greater optimism, sense of self-esteem and improvements in things related to these.

   So, rather than exhorting people to "feel more optimistic," or to "have courage", "keep faith/hope alive", the practical course is to take effective actions which, when seen, broadly inspire these feelings without having to call for them.

   For these reasons, I believe it was a very serious and profound mistake for Obama to have, as he seems to have done, decided to "turn the page" on the Bush/Cheney years and the work of holding those in it responsible for their many and gross illegal acts, acts which dealt severe blows to the nation, to the public's sense of identity as a free, fair and just people, to the credibility of the conception of the United States as a democratic society.  It is not one, in fact.  But the Bush/Cheney tenure brutally made this fact manifest to many who had previously been able to sustain a belief in the myth of their society's democratic character.  To maintain such a faith today requires more than most people (other than the most die-hard conservatives) can muster in suspension of doubt or disbelief.

   If our identities and our myths have been made ineffective, that is large part because in the real waking world of daily life, actual events have revealed them to be, to have been for some time, even, empty of substance--and these revelations have come in ways that have been brutally shaking.

   When the WTC towers collapsed, the event in itself was not so much the world-changing event that many claimed.  Rather, it was a marker. For certain ways of belief, many held so unselfconsciously that they were hardly noted, the towers' collapse made the falsity of those beliefs suddenly and dramatically manifest and if they didn't fall with the towers, they fell in the hours, days, weeks and months which followed their collapse.  In fact, though, the processes long predate the events of that single day.

"In such an environment it is not surprising that the ills of technology should seem curable only through the application of more technology..." John W Aldridge

by proximity1 on Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 at 09:16:51 AM EST
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