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... declare themselves a right-wing party and be done with it?

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Oct 9th, 2009 at 07:26:07 AM EST
  1. The centrists (or, to be precise: the conservative "Seeheim Circle" and the more Third Wayist "Networkers" wings of the party, plus the Schröderite clique and the ladder climbers they promoted) are/were in dominant position in leadership positions, but not everywhere, not to speak of the party base. The new federal leadership includes a strong Andrea Nahles, leader of the left wing.

  2. Would the centrists in the SPD realise their conservative-ness, there would be no reason left for them to not join the CDU or the FDP...


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 9th, 2009 at 08:13:33 AM EST
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Would the centrists in the SPD realise their conservative-ness, there would be no reason left for them to not join the CDU or the FDP...

Wrong golf buddies.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Oct 9th, 2009 at 08:25:58 AM EST
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Exactly.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 9th, 2009 at 09:08:21 AM EST
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I think in France vote fraud within the PS is (used to be) such that the leadership didn't depend at all from the will of the base...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Oct 9th, 2009 at 08:26:33 AM EST
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DoDo:
Would the centrists in the SPD realise their conservative-ness, there would be no reason left for them to not join the CDU or the FDP...
Political parties represent patronage networks as much as they do ideologies.

The SPD centrist leadership wouldn't join the CDU or FDP patronage networks at a high enough rank.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 9th, 2009 at 09:07:53 AM EST
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Don't bet on it -- remember Jack Lang.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 9th, 2009 at 09:24:43 AM EST
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It's more about Kouchner, Besson, Hirsch, Amara. They got promoted when joining the UMP, unlike Lang, Rocard, who didn't really get important positions...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Oct 9th, 2009 at 09:36:29 AM EST
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That's because Sarkozy does run his party like a private firm...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 9th, 2009 at 09:41:17 AM EST
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The new federal leadership includes a strong Andrea Nahles, leader of the left wing.

Oh, and I should have emphasized: it seems that someone whose name I hope I made familiar with most on ET, Andrea Ypsilanti, the left-winger who failed as Hessen PM after some right-wingers rebelled, has risen as the speaker of the inner-party opposition. It was reported that at the meetings preceding and following the leadership change, she scolded the behind-the-scenes games and demanded an open primary, and then abstained during the vote.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Oct 9th, 2009 at 11:47:37 AM EST
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