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You're framing the Greens as a mere appendix of the SPD. On what logic?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 10th, 2009 at 03:58:47 PM EST
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In the above, I'm framing the Greens from the viewpoint of the SPD that brought them in as third partner. That is, the SPD, if it had been serious: in practice, the Greens appear to have been nothing like the SPD's appendage, being more on ther same line with the Left Party when seeing the SPD's antics.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Oct 10th, 2009 at 04:04:23 PM EST
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But was Die Linke opposed to bringing in the Greens to begin with? If not, the Greens owe nothing to the SPD for being allowd in the talks.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 10th, 2009 at 04:07:53 PM EST
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The Left Party was careful not to oppose the demand when the SPD made it. But IIRC they started bilateral negotiations. Note that with the ex-apparatchniks on the Left Party list and the dissident movement roots of some of the Greens [B90 in the partyname standsfor Bündnis '90, that is the 1990 Alliance, a short-lived East German partyof dissidents not aligned with the "block parties"[] that united with the West German Greens], adding them was added conflict potential, and it is something that it did not errupt.

As for owing? You don't have to owe anything to be on the same platform with another partner in a future intra-coalition tussle. In fact, pure power self-interest suffices. And even if the Greens would not always have sided with the SPD, an occasional 8:9 (even if it's 6:11 at other times) is better than 2:3 all the time.

[] Block parties: thoroughly state-controlled remains of all-German parties in East Germany's fake multi-party democracy. It is a badly kept secret of the East German CDU and SPD that they were born by the absorbtion of tainted block parties.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Oct 10th, 2009 at 04:27:13 PM EST
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Especially not as they seem to now be in favour of Jamaica in the Saar
Die Saar-Grünen haben sich offenbar entschieden: Ihr Chef wirbt in seiner Partei für eine Koalition mit CDU und FDP. Ein erstes Gespräch der drei Vorsitzenden wurde bereits vereinbart.

Die Grünen im Saarland haben sich offenbar für eine Koalition mit FDP und CDU entschieden. Im Saarland verdichten sich die Anzeichen für die Bildung der bundesweit ersten Jamaika-Koalition aus CDU, FDP und Grünen. Unmittelbar vor dem Parteitag der Grünen in Saarlouis, auf dem sie sich für ein Lager entscheiden wollen, rechnen nach Informationen des Saarländischen Rundfunks (SR) selbst Befürworter eines rot-rot-grünen Bündnisses mit einer Mehrheit für Jamaika. Laut SR ist für kommenden Mittwoch bereits ein erstes Treffen der Landesvorsitzenden vereinbart worden.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Oct 10th, 2009 at 04:07:14 PM EST
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A stupid reaction at Lafontaine's decision to leave federal politics for Saarland politics...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Oct 10th, 2009 at 04:28:54 PM EST
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I can't believe they give Müller another 5 years after he lost 13%, just to get back at Lafontaine. :facepalm:

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Sun Oct 11th, 2009 at 02:32:06 PM EST
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I was hoping that the media crowing about the Saarland Greens being closer to the conservatives was wishful thinking on their part, turns out it was me wishful thinking...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Oct 11th, 2009 at 03:10:33 PM EST
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